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Rivian doublding down on this is also a bit disappointing. Not that I can afford one
The better option is: remove infotainment completely and _require_ a smartphone for anything other than FM/AM radio. * Support an open protocol for rendering images/video/animations on the screen. Sorta like... you know, CarPlay. * Have controls for what events are allowed to be sent to the connected device. Don't want your phone to know your Throttle Position? Turn that shit off. Don't want your phone to know whethe…
GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35389021 - March 2023 (377 comments)
Picking up our Hyundai Ioniq 5 this afternoon. We were seriously going to wait for a 2024 EV Chevy Blazer[0], but… [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35391283
Short term, this is stupid. GM pulled out too quickly, and without a superior drop-in replacement. Long-term, this is smart. GM will gain complete control of the software stack, and they won't be bullied into anything. Tesla knows this. Others like Rivian know it too.
> Long-term, this is smart. GM will gain complete control of the software stack… CarPlay (I’m not familiar with Android Auto) doesn’t require that GM cede any control over their software stack. As Wikipedia puts it, it just “enables a car radio or head unit to be a display and a controller for an iOS device”. What GM wants is to charge you $30/month for services, since phones have mostly killed their OnStar cash cow.…
Except, from what I understand they'll use Android Automotive (not to be confused with Android Auto).
I don’t understand why they can’t have their own system and still support CarPlay. They are not mutually exclusive options.
Because GM wants to charge subscriptions for all kinds of software features and don’t want any competition. They are mainly looking at this as their maps vs the phone’s maps. They are ignoring all of the other reasons on why people choose AndroidAuto and CarPlay. That is often as much about personalization as anything else.
Car infotainment systems are terrible. That's the reason why everyone wants CarPlay and Android Auto. It's kind of like going back to flip phones after using smartphones for years.
Short term, this is stupid. GM pulled out too quickly, and without a superior drop-in replacement. Long-term, this is smart. GM will gain complete control of the software stack, and they won't be bullied into anything. Tesla knows this. Others like Rivian know it too.
> Long-term, this is smart. GM will gain complete control of the software stack… CarPlay (I’m not familiar with Android Auto) doesn’t require that GM cede any control over their software stack. As Wikipedia puts it, it just “enables a car radio or head unit to be a display and a controller for an iOS device”. What GM wants is to charge you $30/month for services, since phones have mostly killed their OnStar cash cow.…
Then why does it demand that Siri be enabled in order to complete the connection?
The better option is: remove infotainment completely and _require_ a smartphone for anything other than FM/AM radio. * Support an open protocol for rendering images/video/animations on the screen. Sorta like... you know, CarPlay. * Have controls for what events are allowed to be sent to the connected device. Don't want your phone to know your Throttle Position? Turn that shit off. Don't want your phone to know whethe…
Sure, if you live somewhere with constant cellular connection or you're not sharing a vehicle with someone else. What really irks me is when a connected device is required to do something trivial. My dad's 2021 GMC truck recently got an OTA update that removed the built in map. I discovered this when I was driving in the country and came upon construction with closed roads. I tried to pull up the map and look for a r…