Live data from Hacker News

I hope you will never see this letter (1961)

news.lettersofnote.com

51–60 of 122 posts

Re: I hope you will never see this letter (1961)

#51

I wonder how the letter become publicly known?

According to this random website, the letter was opened in 1968 on the actual event of Gagarin's death and declassified in 2011 to celebrate the 50th anniversary of his flight.

https://www.space-collectibles.com/blog/youri-gagarin-s-lett...

Re: I hope you will never see this letter (1961)

#52

There were also the other words of Yuri Gagarin, on the way back from space: "Я горю, прощайте товарищи" ("I'm on fire. Farewell, comrades"). The capsule somehow managed to land successfully, and he ended up being alive.

> горю

Wow, such wide-ranging cognates!

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-Eur...

("warm", "thermal", "furnace", and even the "garam" in "garam masala")

I'm glad he made it back to Earth safely.

Re: I hope you will never see this letter (1961)

#53
post #51

I wonder how the letter become publicly known?

According to this random website, the letter was opened in 1968 on the actual event of Gagarin's death and declassified in 2011 to celebrate the 50th anniversary of his flight. https://www.space-collectibles.com/blog/youri-gagarin-s-lett...

The translation of the Gagarin’s letter in this article, which explains that it’s “translated by Yves Gauthier … author of a magnificent biography in French on Youri Gagarine” reads better than the translation in TFA, in my opinion

Re: I hope you will never see this letter (1961)

#54
post #41
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s happening here is that /tɕ/ is a single sound — I’d transcribe it /t͡ɕ/, with a little tiebar to make that clear. This sound is an ‘affricate’, meaning that it’s pronounced by starting with a /t/ and releasing it with the tongue so that it finishes with a /ɕ/ sound. /ɕ/ alone would be the sound written in Russian as ⟨щ⟩, which is of course different. Incidentally English ⟨ch⟩ is also affricated, although it’s…

> This sound is an ‘affricate’, meaning that it’s pronounced by starting with a /t/ and releasing it with the tongue so that it finishes with a /ɕ/ sound. I don't agree. I don't start with a /t/ when I'm about to say any Russian word that starts with ч (ch). The tongue is in a different place altogether. With т, the tongue is closer to teeth than when I start with ч (ch). This should be true for all since we're talki…

I don't speak Russian so I'm somewhat reluctant to quarrel with someone who does on this point, but the phenomenon of being used to write an affricate sound that starts with a dental stop is super-well documented in linguistics literature -- on the basis of extensive studies with, and often by, native Russian speakers.

That dental stop might or might not be exactly the same sound as any of those that are written with Russian or English (which, per Wikipedia, are themselves slightly different in place of articulation). English-speakers might be misled into thinking the is a familiar English sound if it's transcribed as [t͡ʃ]; Russian Wikipedia, for example, suggests it's actually [t̠̪͡ʲɕ̪] (different in three different respects from [t͡ʃ]!). But /t/ is also the closest we can probably get in English to what may be actually be, say, [t̪ʲ], even though it does have a slightly different place of articulation.

I think it would be fair to say, considering evidence from both English and Russian Wikipedias, that the Russian does start with a "t-like" sound from the English perspective, yet that sound is at least not precisely identical to that written with English .

Re: I hope you will never see this letter (1961)

#56
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. It does not

Real letters to wives don't include patriotic and political phrases about children being raised in a new paradise to come, except those written by cult members and those (in this case) written under duress.

Yeah right never heard of spontaneous patriotism from the average not-under-gunpoint-american

Re: I hope you will never see this letter (1961)

#57

That he felt need to include such blatant political statements in a letter like this is telling.

What blatant political statement?

The political organization of my local region of Earth wouldn’t be top of mind for my last letter to my family, personally.

Re: I hope you will never see this letter (1961)

#58

That he felt need to include such blatant political statements in a letter like this is telling.

The fact that it surprises many is telling, actually. Used to be much more common to have strong political opinion, back then y'know? Also the guy already abandoned said wife and kids and literally went to space for the government, sounds like a strong selection biais

Re: I hope you will never see this letter (1961)

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What blatant political statement?

The political organization of my local region of Earth wouldn’t be top of mind for my last letter to my family, personally.

I'm sure he knew a party officer would read the letter and he wanted to ensure his widow's loyalty wouldn't be questioned. Such was life in the Soviet Union.

Re: I hope you will never see this letter (1961)

#60

That he felt need to include such blatant political statements in a letter like this is telling.

I doubt they would make you a cosmonaut without being a convincing communist, the same way they wouldn't probably make you an American astronaut if you were one.

If he were a doubter, it would still make sense to include that to potentially make it easier for his family to obtain or preserve a decent position in the Soviet society. These sorts of heroes were supposed to be idols and demigods of the country. This wasn't a society that would respect you having a private apolitical part of life, especially for a man of such a position.

I almost wrote how people are clueless about living under totalitarianism, where there can really be no such thing as truth or honesty. Except maybe heavily drunk in a small company in a dacha, if you're feeling adventurous. But really I think people would often pay lip service to any social orthodoxy in such a situation (contrary to what you might think), because of the benefits of psychical comfort and fitting in.

Post reply on HN