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I’ve been single all my life

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Re: I’ve been single all my life

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I think the word that Rosenstock was searching for, was "Introvert"[1]. I'm an introvert who had the good fortune to marry another introvert, and live contentedly with her for 40+ years. Following her death a few years ago I reflected on the differences between being part of a couple, and being solitary. There were many. Health maintenance was one; somebody else in this thread has already commented on married men liv…

Health maintenance is one I can relate to. I’m at my healthiest weight since my early teenage years, and I regularly visit my dentist, doctor, and ophthalmologist. None of this was the case before my spouse came along.

I’m sorry for your loss. I’m glad she so enriched you. :-)

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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> "Introversion is the state of primarily obtaining gratification from one's own mental life". If this is true, then why do we find so many introverts in online forums?

At the risk of everyone wanting my head on a pike: A. We don't really know what introversion and extroversion are. B. The higher the IQ, the more likely they are to qualify for the label "introvert." So in at least some cases, it's possible smart people just give up on trying to connect socially because they get a lot of negative feedback from other people and it's mostly downside for them, so they stop bothering. Mo…

My personal anecdote is when I was younger. I took things very seriously. I took people very seriously. I came off as a smart ass.

Later I learned if I want to be part of the party. I needed to check my brain in a lock box and not let it out until the social event is over. A social event is about meeting people and good feelings.

Bitcoin. Investing in Beanie Babies. Selling your house and becoming a digital nomad? That’s wonderful. You are living the dream. Other platitudes.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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Masculinity can be quite isolating/toxic but it's emphasis on your intra-tionship, your living with yourself, on relying on yourself, has arisen in my mind in the past couple years as a kind of interesting aspect that feels undersocialized, out shadowed by other discussions of the male gender norms. I hope it wouldn't be too unfair to say that women are regarded as more social, as relying more on their friends & comm…

> Masculinity can be quite isolating/toxic but it's emphasis on your intra-tionship, your living with yourself, on relying on yourself, has arisen in my mind in the past couple years as a kind of interesting aspect that feels undersocialized, out shadowed by other discussions of the male gender norms. I think somewhere along the line "self-reliance" became conflated with "anti-social". I've had to put in concerted ef…

I think it might be because that self-reliance often comes with defensive language/attitude? It's one thing to be self-reliant and another to ooze a miserable attitude about it (e.g., "World's never done shit for me, guess I'll have to just look out for myself."). Without that outward expression, you don't notice that some people appreciate the importance of self-reliance without it feeling anti-social.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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I'd wonder how many women this guy (and guys who relate to this post) are incidentally meeting every week. When I was in my mid 20s after uni, it was basically zero. Just women at work, if even that. If so, this is basically the result you can expect and nothing is going to change until you get those numbers up. The common thread I see with guys not meeting women is almost never "I meet a lot of women but they never…

So... how does one actually meet women?

#1 priority is optimizing the city you live in. What you’re looking for:

- population density: the more opportunities to connect with someone, the better. A densely packed city selects (or transforms others into) people who are open to meeting others. This also makes it the natural default to be within talking distance of someone; consider the opposite: you’re sitting in a coffee shop with enough square feet to comfortably fit 30 people, but there’s only you and 3 other people there — you’d have to conspicuously walk 15+ paces over to say hello to someone you’re interested in.

- transience: a city that is full of people who must be outgoing in order to not be alone means that you in turn will fit right in by being similarly outgoing and social. You’re looking for somewhere that people often immigrate to, or has a job market that brings people in from elsewhere, etc. You’ll be able to go out solo, make some friends along the way, and you just doing your thing will eventually attract the attention of someone in the room.

- walking-friendly: the more time you’re sitting in a car, the less time you’re surrounded by people. If you have someone giving you eyes while your walking down the sidewalk, that’s a perfect opportunity for a spontaneous date — but that will only happen if, you know, there are actually people walking around outside.

- social events: are there parks? Flea markets? Food trucks? Outside movie screenings or live performances? Food festivals? Meetups catering to your interests? Anything that gets people out and bumping into each other?

I’ve had fantastic long term relationships with people that I met in line at the airport, or at the coffee shop, and other miscellaneous random encounters. But your choice of city and its culture will determine the probability that you’ll hit off with someone that you randomly meet, and the odds that you’ll randomly bump into anyone at all in the first place.

I’m presently living in Dallas, Texas again (where I was born and raised), after having lived in DC and NY. Would not recommend anything similar: majority of people here have friend groups from their childhood and aren’t really looking to meet new people; coffee shops and other establishments are incredibly spacious (because land is cheap and people here generally want space from others, rather than e.g. communal bench seating); there aren’t many outdoors social events; you have to drive to go anywhere; etc. Only reason I moved back was due to some health stuff that I have since gotten over .

I suppose you could do online dating, but I’m not really a fan. If you have dozens of people lining up for a date with you, I feel that it screws up your perspective at the beginning, as you break prospects down into a matrix of pros and cons and try to prioritize who you go on a date with next — sucks the magic out of meeting someone. Vs bumping into someone, make eye contact briefly, look away for a moment, and then find that you both did a double take at the exact same time: there’s just you and that other person caught up in the chemistry of the moment.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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I'd wonder how many women this guy (and guys who relate to this post) are incidentally meeting every week. When I was in my mid 20s after uni, it was basically zero. Just women at work, if even that. If so, this is basically the result you can expect and nothing is going to change until you get those numbers up. The common thread I see with guys not meeting women is almost never "I meet a lot of women but they never…

So... how does one actually meet women?

Bar, tinder, churches, open festivals, etc.

But the most important: Through friends. Trying to make regular friends and expanding your social circle increases the chances of being invited to private gatherings, where you can meet more people and so on.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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> I don’t think women’s rights should be up for discussion just because some men don’t get laid That’s not the point. The places of men and women were clear before, now the current narrative is that women were oppressed and men were oppressor. That is a false reading of history. The biggest difficulties were put on men to sacrifice themselves for their family, country, society. Now we find ourselves in a culture that…

> The places of men and women were clear before, now the current narrative is that women were oppressed and men were oppressor. Being able to buy your neighbor’s daughter for a couple goats and a milk cow seems pretty oppressive to me.

What do you think of having to go to war and get killed, going down in a shipwreck saving women and kids, etc. The lives of men were brutal back then.

If I look at history that is a bit closer, grandfather and great grandfather those were the opposite of oppressors. At least the mens that were honored were the ones that created the most and helped people around the most. Women back then had they hands full with kids, house to keep and probably older parent around. I think it was seen as a duty and pride of men to make her wife life as easy and comfortable as possible.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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> do things that put you around people. I tried skiing through which i met tons of people but very few single women. Tried bjj, no women at all. Hiking and camping groups, again no single women. I still do all of these activities but very few women. I've actually never met a woman ,single or otherwise, mountain biking, which is my main goto in summer. Truth is that women don't generally do a lots of activities.

Single usually means young, so you have to go where the young (adult) women hang out, or do what they like to do. I don’t know what that is though, sorry.

Single has nothing to do with age. It means you are not in a committed relationship.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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Women are not baby machines or objects of beauty, they're people. Never said they were, that's you putting words in my mouth. However I think it's fair to say that most people form relationships to have children with people they find attractive. I know you r/childfree types are a vocal minority, but you are just that: a minority. There's plenty of analyses that does deep dives on the data out there. Check out the OkT…

I do actually want children. I think it rather undermines your claim that I was putting words in your mouth when you first put words in mine, and then immediately transition to a justification of your view that relationships are principly about raising children. What you said was that social pressure for women to get married young was justified because that was when they had the best chance of giving birth to healthy…

FWIW, I didn’t read what GP wrote as being prescriptive nor “justification”, but rather an observation of the statistics involved in heterosexual males selection of dating/marriage prospects.

I hate the idea of anyone feeling inferior or less worthy due to not being chosen by someone else.

At the same time, we can speak objectively about what one group of people statistically find desirable in another group. I mean, we could also choose to not speak of it — but for many there is utility in understanding (and thus speaking of) what is desired by others: if you know what they want, you can decide if it’s worth making choices that would satisfy those desires, and you can also be realistic about how likely you are to satisfy those desires as a function of time and other variables.

As a heterosexual man, I can speak of the opposite side of the coin: over 99% of women I have seen on online dating apps clearly state that having kids is a must — my not wanting kids by that logic makes me unsuitable as a dating prospect. I could be upset: “how dare they see me as some sort of sperm dispensing machine?!” But the reality is that they don’t harbor any ill intent, they just simply want kids and that means I’m not a good choice to satisfy that desire.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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I'd wonder how many women this guy (and guys who relate to this post) are incidentally meeting every week. When I was in my mid 20s after uni, it was basically zero. Just women at work, if even that. If so, this is basically the result you can expect and nothing is going to change until you get those numbers up. The common thread I see with guys not meeting women is almost never "I meet a lot of women but they never…

As someone wiser than me once commented -- nobody is going to knock on your door. If you want to meet people, you have to get out there and do things that put you around people.

I’ll add a corollary to it: sometimes you have to be the planner. Lots of people are like “yeah, I want to do $ACTIVITY but there’s nobody to it with.” There’s also a ton of people that are like “there’s nothing fun to do this weekend.” Post an event on Meetup / Facebook / etc. Say you’re going to do $ACTIVITY at $DATETIME and chances are pretty good you’ll find someone else interested in doing the thing with you. Good starter choices for $ACTIVITY include pub trivia, karaoke, and comedy nights but could also be things like going for a hike or a nice walk around a pond. It doesn’t have to be at a bar or expensive.

If you do this often enough, you’ll develop a group of regulars who will also want to do fun things and you can get one of them to host.

Be the first mover.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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As someone wiser than me once commented -- nobody is going to knock on your door. If you want to meet people, you have to get out there and do things that put you around people.

Off topic, but as an introvert lurking in an introvert thread, I want to say: this is true professionally, too. My boss's boss's boss put it this way: no one is spinning around in his chair at his desk, twiddling his thumbs, thinking, "_When_ will Tom ask me to meet over coffee?" But if you send him a note, and ask politely, and convey earnestness, odds are good he will meet you for coffee.

Another way of looking at things is "just ask". What's the worst that'll happen? They say no, you lost nothing, gained nothing. But there's a surprising # of yeses out there to be had.

Which reminds me, I once asked this beautiful woman out, not thinking she'd say yes, but she did. We had a good run.

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