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Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Someone might say the same thing about trans people. Should I be extremely uncomfortable talking to a trans person? Of course not. Many people think I should though. As for white nationalists, when engaging in discussion with someone you disagree with you have the opportunity to change their mind. We're all human. We won't always agree. I'm happy to meet everybody as human beings.

You don't have the opportunity to change their mind that's an illusion that works in their favor: “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play.…

For context, if I'm not mistaken you're quoting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semite_and_Jew

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That's a weird way to frame a truly free speech environment. Yes, speech is more limited to left-leaning speech on most accepted parts of the internet. That doesn't make a board that allows both to be right-leaning. It means that most of the internet is left-leaning. Ofc, im simplifying to left vs right here, but that's only in response to calling it a right leaning board.

Truly free speech has a vibe of calling Vogelfrei truly freedom. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogelfrei Are doxing, slander, defamation free speech?

Truly free, as in no limitation. I would include doxing, slander, and defamation to fall under "truly free speech", yes. That it not me advocating for these things, it is me calling limiting them what it is: limiting speech. We limit them because they can be very dangerous or destructive, not because they aren't speech.

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/b/, /vg/, /v/, /pol/ and sometimes /g/ all have strong alt right representation. (actually /g/ is still much more libertarian but you get some bleed in here and there). Even /sci/ has changed. You have race IQ intelligence threads all the time compared to 2011. Instead of the daily Putnam problem thread, you get that garbage. NYT is pretty on the money here. If this were 2010, I'd disagree with them, but not nowaday…

Please define alt right, in your own words. It seems everyone claiming 4chan is right, far right, or alt right, means something rather different

I am not going to play games with semantics when we can look at the state of the site now compared to before 2011.

Do you think that /pol/ is anything but some bastardization of right wing principles?

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> Dark humor about race or ideology can eventually shape the beliefs of impressionable young people, and innocuous memes can be co-opted into symbols of hatred, researchers say. Immediately following this paragraph is a quote from a researcher: > “If you’re a young man with no prospects hanging out on 4chan, you’re definitely on some Discords and probably some pretty dark Discords,” said Dale Beran, a lecturer at Mor…

I was generally under the impression that lecturers are not normally research personnel.

they sometimes get pulled in to begrudgingly teach a class or two

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I think the accusation that 4chan is a far-right message board is accurate, and I believe that accusation can be supported by showing that 4chan's explicitly stated rules can be used to plausibly deny this accusation, while demonstrating that they're are not enforced (or selectively enforced). 4chan's Rule 3: "You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Troll posts, Racism, Anthropomorphic ("furry") pornog…

It’s interesting that the website is considered far-right simply because it doesn’t ban far-right posters. The website isn’t explicitly for right-wingers, but by allowing them to post on the website that’s what it’s become.

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Someone might say the same thing about trans people. Should I be extremely uncomfortable talking to a trans person? Of course not. Many people think I should though. As for white nationalists, when engaging in discussion with someone you disagree with you have the opportunity to change their mind. We're all human. We won't always agree. I'm happy to meet everybody as human beings.

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I don't care. 4chan is one of the few large forums remaining on the internet where there's no downvoting, no flagging, and no dang-esque tone policers. I would be much more sad to see it go away than this place.

Yeah I guess that's what it really comes down to. I am willing to make you sad to make it harder for nazis to organize and recruit.

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> You're free to go on there and deride any white nationalists you see Yes but you can do this anywhere. There are a limited number of places where you can openly be a white nationalist without being banned, 4chan is one of them.

That's a weird way to frame a truly free speech environment. Yes, speech is more limited to left-leaning speech on most accepted parts of the internet. That doesn't make a board that allows both to be right-leaning. It means that most of the internet is left-leaning. Ofc, im simplifying to left vs right here, but that's only in response to calling it a right leaning board.

> It means that most of the internet is left-leaning.

At the risk of sounding like I wear a tin foil hat... that's what they want you to think!

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If you're literally developing a hatred for some group of people, you're probably spending too much time in toxic online spaces. Perhaps you should consider reducing your exposure to that kind of content. It's a hazard for the soul.

(I'd have said the same thing if you said you were developing a hatred for right-leaning people or anyone else.)

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