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Post by croes »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #77
micromacrofoot wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ok to be a communist, it's ok to use open source software, it's ok to be gay, a furry, trans, or autistic. It's not ok to be a white nationalist. /b/ and other 4chan boards do not ban white nationalists.

No, it is NOT ok to be a communist. Communists and white nationalists are morally equivalent, though communism to date has a much higher body count than white nationalism and their methods of execution and torture have on balance been more savage and more brutal.

The communist body count is largely based on incapacity that led to famine.

The white nationalist made genocide an efficient industrial process. Just look how little time they needed to nearly eradicate the Jews.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #112
leoqa wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It must be hard for you if your idea of free expression requires absolutely no limits. I personally think it’s a bad faith argument and you’re not actually interested in reducing radicalization.

> free expression requires absolutely no limits But doesn't it? Usually it's the authoritarians, dictators and generally "bad guys" who need to limit speech, censor, burn books, etc.

Humanity has never had to deal with global echo chambers where individuals who are mostly harmless on their own can come together and feed on their common rancor.

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Post by YarickR2 »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #77
micromacrofoot wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ok to be a communist, it's ok to use open source software, it's ok to be gay, a furry, trans, or autistic. It's not ok to be a white nationalist. /b/ and other 4chan boards do not ban white nationalists.

No, it is NOT ok to be a communist. Communists and white nationalists are morally equivalent, though communism to date has a much higher body count than white nationalism and their methods of execution and torture have on balance been more savage and more brutal.

Well, by this logic it's way less ok to be capitalist and imperialist

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Post by TechBro8615 »

ben_w wrote: post #50
tomcam wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cannot disagree enough. I love having dinner with people who are different from me if civil discourse is available. However, I am a US citizen, where free speech is fairly highly valued. > "If you and 9 of your friends have a dinner with a Nazi, there are 11 Nazis around that table." It is risible that one would make that accusation, by the way.

> if civil discourse is available If we're talking about actual Nazis and not "everyone I disagree with is literally worse than Hitler" insult inflation, then it necessarily follows that civil discourse is not available . Why? Because they mass-murdered people like me. So, tough luck. If you use your freedom to pick them, I'll use mine to refuse you.

Is it too late to invoke Godwin's law, or is "actual Nazi" sufficiently unhinged for a late qualification?

I'm pretty sure there is nobody on /pol/, or anywhere on the internet for that matter (short of some 95+ year olds), who was an "actual Nazi" who "mass-murdered people like you."

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Post by YarickR2 »

nemothekid wrote: post #108
v0idzer0 wrote: post #93

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Citing one crazy person using a platform doesn’t make your argument coherent. How many shooters have live streamed on facebook?

There is a huge difference between "livestreaming a shooting on facebook", and writing a 200 page manifesto about how /pol/ redpilled you. I guess all 200 pages were just "banter". The guy practically wrote a book on being radicalized by /pol/, and that to you, is the same as opening up Facebook and clicking the "record" button.

Those things being hugely different is just your opinion, not universally accepted truth.

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Post by havblue »

v0idzer0 wrote: post #98

NYT gets so much mileage out of “researchers say” and “experts say” yet they never cite anyone

Well they need to throw in the "researchers say" statements, otherwise their articles would almost consist entirely of anecdotal human interest stories!

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Post by YarickR2 »

SpaceManNabs wrote: post #21
mannyv wrote: post #2

The NYT characterizes 4chan as a far-right message board, which is ridiculous. I mean, if giving the finger to pretty much everything is considered far-right, then what's considered far-left? Fundamentalism?

/b/, /vg/, /v/, /pol/ and sometimes /g/ all have strong alt right representation. (actually /g/ is still much more libertarian but you get some bleed in here and there). Even /sci/ has changed. You have race IQ intelligence threads all the time compared to 2011. Instead of the daily Putnam problem thread, you get that garbage. NYT is pretty on the money here. If this were 2010, I'd disagree with them, but not nowaday…

Please define alt right, in your own words. It seems everyone claiming 4chan is right, far right, or alt right, means something rather different

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Post by RobotToaster »

ctvo wrote: post #106
v0idzer0 wrote: post #98

NYT gets so much mileage out of “researchers say” and “experts say” yet they never cite anyone

> Dark humor about race or ideology can eventually shape the beliefs of impressionable young people, and innocuous memes can be co-opted into symbols of hatred, researchers say. Immediately following this paragraph is a quote from a researcher: > “If you’re a young man with no prospects hanging out on 4chan, you’re definitely on some Discords and probably some pretty dark Discords,” said Dale Beran, a lecturer at Mor…

>If you’re a young man with no prospects

"The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose." — James Baldwin.

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Post by plaguepilled »

notjulianjaynes wrote: post #29

>"Losers. That’s who the U.S. government really has to fear.” The New York Times has published, by my count, 15 articles on this leak in the past 7 days.

>"Losers. That’s who the U.S. government really has to fear.”

So... they fear NYT? Does this count as a publication threatening the government?

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Post by Minor49er »

guardiangod wrote: post #131

I am sad that Discord has replaced IRC as the chatroom of the internet's subculture.

IRC lacks widespread support for things like roles, reactions, avatars, threads, showing chat history from before someone enters a channel, search history, and having video and voice chat without piggybacking on top of DCC. There also aren't sync issues within Discord that cause things like netsplits which are somewhat common on IRC

I know some newer versions of the IRC spec try to address at least some of these, but as far as I'm aware, they aren't very widely supported

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