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The NYT characterizes 4chan as a far-right message board, which is ridiculous. I mean, if giving the finger to pretty much everything is considered far-right, then what's considered far-left? Fundamentalism?

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Guilt by association makes no sense… would this also apply to eg, communists?

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> then what's considered far-left 4chan. The most notorious boards feel anarchist and were very anti-globalist long before it was fashionable. But as you implied, 4chan as a whole is not homogenous.

Anarchism and anti-globalism were far-left values like 20 years ago. Right now the left and far-left give strong "conform" vibes.

I dunno about that. Radical anti capitalist sentiment, for instance, feels far left and anarchist: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_anarchism

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Nazis use the internet. You use the internet. Therefore, you're a nazi.

Going back to the dinner analogy, you've stretched going to dinner with someone to happening to be in the same restaurant as that someone. It's not the same kind of association at all.

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> then what's considered far-left 4chan. The most notorious boards feel anarchist and were very anti-globalist long before it was fashionable. But as you implied, 4chan as a whole is not homogenous.

Anarchism and anti-globalism were far-left values like 20 years ago. Right now the left and far-left give strong "conform" vibes.

There is a substantial cohort of 'libs' who started calling themselves 'leftists' post-George Floyd, but when probed about their opinions on e.g. means testing, prison abolition, or asked to define even something as basic as Marxism, miss the mark so widely on the fundaments of those ideas that it appears they've labeled themselves without actually contending with certain core concepts that literally define the distinctions between left folks and others.

Of course, the boogeymen borne of tribalistic (politico-cultural) battlegrounds mean that those on the broad right look leftward and see people calling themselves 'leftists' dragging the classical left tenets toward strange, centrist-ized, often authoritarian lines and assume without further evidence that this applies to the left generally.

I promise you there's still plenty of folks who competently understand the labels they choose to inhabit.

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> then what's considered far-left 4chan. The most notorious boards feel anarchist and were very anti-globalist long before it was fashionable. But as you implied, 4chan as a whole is not homogenous.

Anarchism and anti-globalism were far-left values like 20 years ago. Right now the left and far-left give strong "conform" vibes.

Both “anarchism” and “anti-globalism” (the former largely as a result of fairly recent cooption, the latter inherently in being a label of opposition not specifically tied to the ideological reason for opposition) have both far-left and far-right versions, and that remains the case. Neither is universal on the left or the right, either, because while anarchism in the narrower historical sense is connected to socialism, there are obviously socialisms that are not anarchist (even without going to the extreme of Lenin/Stalin/Mao vanguardist approaches).

I disagree that, within the left and far-left, the anarchist or anti-globalist segments have recently retreated. OTOH, in the United States, the old (peaking around 1990) overlapping center-right neoliberal globalist faction forming the moderate wings of both major parties has faded in the Republican Party, leading the remaining segment of it – which is the dominant faction of the Democratic Party – to be called “left” (and sometimes “far left”) by Republican partisans.

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Guilt by association makes no sense… would this also apply to eg, communists?

Communist don't want to see the eradication of a single race of people so no I don't think it would.

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Guilt by association makes no sense… would this also apply to eg, communists?

You know, the guilt by association kind of makes sense. Nazis have an ideology of violence/hate at their core - by being associated with Nazis, you tend to accept this. Therefore, it's ok to perceive you as one too.

I can't say about communists, as there are so few around these days.

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Nazis use the internet. You use the internet. Therefore, you're a nazi.

That is a false equivalence though.

ex: "Nazis eat food, you eat food, therefore you're a Nazi."

Doing something that all people do and are expected to do, on either side of the conflict, does not actually make a difference. Being a complete and utter jackass makes the difference.

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