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Bullshit, 16 would be too late for hormone blockers. The blockers are also said to prevent the kids from adapting to their biological gender, leading onto a path to surgery. I am amazed how willing to lie people are in this forum.
As a very rough rule of thumb, if it comes in pill form, it's probably not surgery.
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Bullshit, 16 would be too late for hormone blockers. The blockers are also said to prevent the kids from adapting to their biological gender, leading onto a path to surgery. I am amazed how willing to lie people are in this forum.
chownie said hormones , e.g. testosterone/estrogen, not hormone blockers . You're right, 16 would be too late for most for hormone blockers, and as such it causes immense harm when trans children are prevented from getting blockers earlier, because it causes irreversible changes to occur that strongly correlates with massively increased rates of harmful outcomes (up to and including suicides). > The blockers are also…
Most people who believe they are trans actually grow out of it. Puberty blockers (and also testosterone) have severe side effects (or main effects). Therefore more harm is done by overprescribing them.
There is not even scientific evidence yet that trans people actually exist (as in somebody born in the wrong body somehow).
"Ah it is said" - yeah in the same way that "it is said" that withholding puberty blockers causes harm and whatever else you claim.
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You're the one who is trying to rope different arguemnts into the discussion here. That some people you detest who argue B also argue A is irrelevant when it comes to arguements for/against A.
Nope. In case you haven't noticed we're replying to an article about "moral panics". Somebody upthread pointed out that there is currently a moral panic centred on transpeople. Politicians talking about "demons and imps", banning drag shows and "eliminating" trans identity or introducing the felony offence of having the wrong books in the classroom are examples of this phenomenon. Despite the OP's denials, this pheno…
Can you explain to me why children need to see drag shows, which are about sexual attraction, and why they need porn in the classroom?
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They are a type of procedure with irreversible life-altering consequences that somehow you think children can consent to.
If they can't consent to this, then they can't consent to almost any surgery. They even couldn't consent to getting braces.
It's insane, as you very well put it. They can't get a tattoo, too permanent, but they can get their tits chopped off. Makes total sense, yeah.
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These laws are against all of gender affirming care. They are not against surgeries specifically. Also, puberty blockers are not surgery. The way you jumped from frequent "surgeries" to "hormones" is the exact dishonest arguing people complain about.
"And" is a conjunctive word. It does not mean "the same as" or "a type of." We both know that.
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Puberty blockers themselves are not free of risk of irreversible damage, as you very well know. And if you had to bet money, if I told you some kid started on puberty blockers, what would be the odds they later got surgery or further irreversible damage done? Higher or lower than if they didn't start on puberty blockers, as they did 10 years ago? If I'm right and social contagion is much more prevalent than "real dys…
> Puberty blockers themselves are not free of risk of irreversible damage, as you very well know. Their risk is miniscule compared to the risk of untreated gender dysphoria. > And if you had to bet money, if I told you some kid started on puberty blockers, what would be the odds they later got surgery or further irreversible damage done? Higher or lower than if they didn't start on puberty blockers, as they did 10 ye…
No! What you have here is a bunch of confused girls that will do whatever tiktok influencers tell them to do. Do nothing and it'll pass in 99.99% of the cases. Start blocking puberties and you end up with a lot of unnecessary surgeries and sterile people who will suffer the rest of their lives.
How many people temporally confused by social contagion are you willing to sacrifice for each "real case" that you catch earlier? Where's your line? Ten, a hundred? A thousand? All of them?
You don't want to engage with the question, I get it, but it's the whole point here.
> Irrelevant, as if they later get surgery it is because they, once they are mature enough to decide, determine that it is the best outcome for them
Yeah, because the sunk cost fallacy develops only after puberty, or what? No. As you very well know, once they start on that road the identity kicks in and it's "who they are now". Which is exactly what you want, a normal person comes in, an activist for life comes out. Who cares about the actual person, right?
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They are not suspected to, they have been caught in consensual acts, they were caught red handed to be hypocrites. A gay person isn't a hypocrite for being gay, a gay person condemning and harming other gay people is a hypocrite.
And I suppose those who harm gay people by bullying them and publicly shaming them deserve everything that's coming to them, especially if they're doing from a hypocritical and misguided delusion of righteousness... Again missing the point. It isn't a challenge to defend oneself, it's an invitation to reflect. Less talking, more thinking.
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To judge that, we would have to have some idea whether they actually reduce the risk of suicide. "...a negative association found many years after treatment is compatible with three scenarios: puberty blockers reduced suicidal ideation; puberty blockers had no effect on suicidal ideation; puberty blockers increased suicidal ideation, albeit not enough to counteract the initial negative effect of psychological problem…
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Other moral panics of thundering herds of dumb: - Salem witch trials - Know Nothing-Party - KKK - McCarthyism - Rock and roll - Banned books - Sex education - Heavy metal - Gay movement & HIV/AIDS - Video games - People who consume Fox News - People who consume US local news - Anti-immigrant hysteria Roughly 1500 innocent individuals have been executed in the US. 100k's of innocent individuals languished slowly and l…
The hysteria about sex education is going on in my country as we speak. The public debate is also influenced by Russian propaganda and the church who is pushing for religion as a final exam subject. They'd rather teach kids mumbojumbo instead of basic hygene and how to not get pregnant in your teens.