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Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by lmarcos »

Galaco wrote: post #38

Never figured out how to use Hertzner. Wanted to try since they get such a good reputation on here, but they banned my account when their system presented no way for me to verify my identity. The required either PayPal or passport. I have no PayPal account, and their 3rd party verification system only allows passport from your country of residence (signup requires providing a contact address and they pre fill using t…

That's why I don't use Hetzner. I don't really want to handover my passport to any company. How come digital ocean doesn't require that?

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by NegativeLatency »

kytazo wrote: post #30
BackBlast wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've benchmarked ARM systems vs other processors. On my workload, using Intel as a baseline. AMD under performs relative to standard benchmarks. ARM over performs relative to standard benchmarks. I have seen good performance from Ampere, particularly for the price. However, ARM architecture complicates my workflow significantly. I've found that they are not worth using it right now due to compatibility issues, easier…

Try alpinelinux, you'll be able to find almost everything, coupled with nix for just in case. I've yet to find any package missing.

alpine brings it's own issues with the different libc

maybe things have been fixed now, but about a year ago I was having issues with ruby bugs that were due to differences between muslc and gnulibc

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by cellularmitosis »

ojosilva wrote: post #127
solalf wrote: post #3

Could somebody walk me through why ARM based servers are so inexpensive compared to their x86 counterparts? Is performance much lower? 16 cores & 32gb of RAM for less than 25 euros seems like a bargain.

Firstly ARM processors are simpler to produce, with simpler circuitry (RISC!), although the number of transistors tend to be similar between the two platforms. Research costs are also very expensive for x86, with 2 vendors (Intel and AMD) competing savagely in many different markets such as high-end gaming, servers, ultrabooks and low cost PCs. However, ARM (the company) focuses on licensing the designs and instructi…

> simpler circuitry

> the number of transistors tend to be similar between the two platforms

sorry, come again?

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Post by fs111 »

datenwolf wrote: post #119
2000UltraDeluxe wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have an address on your passport? I can see how that could cause issues if the address isn't valid. If I'd have to determine if your order was fraudulent or not, I'd err on the side of caution rather than risk having you abuse my server infrastructure (in the case of Hetzner).

A lot of people confuse the passport (Pass) with the national identity card (Personalausweis). There's no place of residence stated on the German passport, but it is part of the Personalausweis. Since German citizens by law are required to own a Personalausweis (there's no mandate to carry it around, just having it somewhere in a drawer suffices), practically all businesses in Germany do rely on the Personalausweis t…

> Since German citizens by law are required to own a Personalausweis

This is not true. You must have an Identitätsnachweis, but if you have a valid passport you do not need a Personalausweis.

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Post by RowanH »

andix wrote: post #227
zackmorris wrote: post #209

I implemented a Virtual Private Cloud (VPC) on AWS with Elastic Container Service (ECS) using Terraform so that I could run Docker, and it ended up being about 2 orders of magnitude more expensive than Hetzner after all of the services were configured. For example, something as simple as AWS NAT Gateway costs $30 per month, and it can be challenging to get everything right if you don't use one. I haven't tried Heroku…

If there were no microservices, a lot of companies would run their monoliths on a few VMs, with a small fraction of the cost ;)

If it wasn't for a good portion of tech leads FAANG aspirational goals I bet a lot more companies would be on monoliths. It's simply staggering the productivity and cost differences (up to of course a certain point) being on monoliths vs microservices. The discussions on authorisation alone.....

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Post by HideousKojima »

bee_rider wrote: post #221
vineyardmike wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes we do have government provided ID cards. Your driver’s license (or if you don’t drive there’s a non-driver version that’s just a card). There is no mandate to get one or carry it (except for driving). We have issues with voter registration because it’s been politicized. Poor people are disproportionately less likely to have ID cards (because it costs money, takes time, and most people get it to drive which is exp…

We have government issues ID cards, but we don’t have free government issued ID cards as far as I know, which is one of the problem with these voter ID laws.

It ranges from $10 to $90 depending on the state (average is ~$30) and most states also have a discounted rate for people under the poverty line.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by bee_rider »

HideousKojima wrote: post #236
bee_rider wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have government issues ID cards, but we don’t have free government issued ID cards as far as I know, which is one of the problem with these voter ID laws.

It ranges from $10 to $90 depending on the state (average is ~$30) and most states also have a discounted rate for people under the poverty line.

It is unacceptable to charge people any amount of money for a voting requirement.

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Post by Deloritoono »

zackmorris wrote: post #209

I implemented a Virtual Private Cloud (VPC) on AWS with Elastic Container Service (ECS) using Terraform so that I could run Docker, and it ended up being about 2 orders of magnitude more expensive than Hetzner after all of the services were configured. For example, something as simple as AWS NAT Gateway costs $30 per month, and it can be challenging to get everything right if you don't use one. I haven't tried Heroku…

Hetzner is great but it's not a good choice for companies which really care.

Your data is not encrypted in rest.

Their security is not bad but someone can easily plugin whatever they like.

Try this at Google. Google not just has much stricter physical access control but also FULL control over the hardware. They know the firmware of the Mainboard. The server don't even unencrypt and start if you move them out of their Datacenter.

Google doesn't just has ingress egress they have undersea cable.

There is so much difference between hetzner and google it's not the same thing.

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Post by johndough »

Havoc wrote: post #98

More benchmarking. Some of the speedtests coming back >10gigs is a bit of a surprise given price point https://hastebin.com/share/biyejiriyi.bash https://hastebin.com/share/unocorikef.bash https://hastebin.com/share/ujixoxazit.bash https://hastebin.com/share/ofezuyodob.bash

Huh, odd. I opened the URLs twice and got temporarily banned by hastebin. Thank you for the benchmark though. Very nice numbers.

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Post by mike_hock »

zackmorris wrote: post #209

I implemented a Virtual Private Cloud (VPC) on AWS with Elastic Container Service (ECS) using Terraform so that I could run Docker, and it ended up being about 2 orders of magnitude more expensive than Hetzner after all of the services were configured. For example, something as simple as AWS NAT Gateway costs $30 per month, and it can be challenging to get everything right if you don't use one. I haven't tried Heroku…

> cloud infrastructure and microservice movement of the 2010s was.. a scam.

Unfathomably based.

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