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Vocal minority is complaining about another vocal minority targeting them, including violently. It is also complaining about other vocal minority trying to make their art and fun illegal (drag).
Illegal to do it for children . Nobody had or has any problem with what consenting adults do.
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Those responsible rarely get their comeuppance. I mean the academics and psychiatrists who invent this baloney, and continue pushing it for years, sustaining the delusion. Some of them are still practicing today. They've casually moved onto other things.
Academics? At least in what I've seen of the US satanic panic, there were no academics that I know of. Journalists, police consultants, quack shrinks (I forgot which kind of psy.* they were), political and religious authorities, and generally people who had some power and/or money to gain from the panic.
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I also forgot about the Bragas who were child psychologists at the University of Miami who have been accused by defendants (and their team) of inducing false allegations that put at least 3 people in jail.
1: https://gsep.pepperdine.edu/about/our-people/faculty/louis-c...
Other moral panics of thundering herds of dumb: - Salem witch trials - Know Nothing-Party - KKK - McCarthyism - Rock and roll - Banned books - Sex education - Heavy metal - Gay movement & HIV/AIDS - Video games - People who consume Fox News - People who consume US local news - Anti-immigrant hysteria Roughly 1500 innocent individuals have been executed in the US. 100k's of innocent individuals languished slowly and l…
When was the "moral panic" over the KKK, exactly? Usually the term means an irrational fear. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideo... Other parts of the list are also obnoxious and/or offensive but I didn't want to dissect it all.
Hundreds of thousands for eight years in jail, decades of angst, and a broken family ...
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They used to/still say the same exact thing about kids being told to be gay.
Many gay people now say the trans thing is the new conversion therapy for gay people, as they try to convince a lot of them that they are actually another gender.
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They did not propose surgeries because no way of doing so were available until relatively recently. And your claim of a hysteria of kids being told to transition closely mirrors the claim of kids being pressured into satanic rituals and similar. It's similarly fear driven and bigoted.
But we just read that kids were indeed made to believe they had been used for satanic rituals. There is still no good surgery available. It is a crime to pretend the surgeries work.
The lack of good surgery options does not mean they don't help. If anything the fact that regret rates for transition is well below the regret rates for other cosmetic surgery should be a strong indication that if you actually care about patient wellbeing, it's the other kinds of cosmetic surgery you ought to be focusing on.
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That story does not support your claim. And Tavistock was not doing surgeries.
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And of course a lot of the kids given hormones will end up getting surgery, because their dysphoria is highly unlikely to resolve itself with or without hormones and for those whose dysphoria does not resolve surgery will be the best option for many - hence the very low regret rates.
And hence the drive to get puberty blockers to delay the need to decide on either.
You're buying into a hysteria founded on ignoring the actual and immoral harm being inflicted on trans youth by those seeking to deny them care in order to try to pretend they mostly don't exist. It's at best deeply misguided, at worst deeply bigoted.
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I'm a bit surprised at how often it seems to come up in random comment threads. The atmosphere here feels increasingly unwelcoming lately. Or maybe people feel like they're just having abstract, hypothetical intellectual discussions. But when I read these threads, it just feels like signal after signal that I no longer fit in or have a place here.
I too have noticed some quite transphobic attitudes on HN over the past year or so. It's been a bit shocking at times. I have considered emailing the admins to state my concerns, or creating an account here to add another voice to threads when things start heading in that direction - but ultimately it seems futile as transphobia seems to have ramped up everywhere recently. It's scary. Of all the wonderful trans peopl…
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That story does not support your claim. And Tavistock was not doing surgeries.
Hetre are some numbers: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-tran... Unclear how many of the kids who receive hormones end up getting surgery.
And yet you're arguing for denying them the option that'd reduce the demand for these surgeries.
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1. The murderer was tried and convicted. Society did not back him. The criminal justice system did not back him. 2. More unarmed white people are killed by police than unarmed black people. So are whites the oppressed group? ( 3. Bringing up George Floyd as "proof" for wokist ideas is exactly evidence for a moral panic, because it appeals purely to emotion with complete disregard of and in contradiction to the actual…
> 4. Trans people are more free than they have been in history, and there is no societal movement to "ban" them from "existing". That is just the hyperbolic language of catastrophization that is one of the common and extremely tiresome tactics. Society has some laws and customs that segregate the sexes, largely to protect women. In many of these areas, trans-women can be and are accommodated, but some are sensitive a…