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Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

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Post by LeanderK »

candiddevmike wrote: post #61
LeanderK wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have recently come to the conclusion that a major problem is that there is no "local" internet. You either have websites somewhere out of local network or some app-based solution, but there's no "dishwasher.local". And you can't burden consumers with IP addresses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_DNS should work fine here

ah I never knew that the protocols behind the zeroconf services (Bonjour etc.) can also resolve hostnames. Very interesting. Although I have to say that in my experience these things are not robust enough yet. Setting up the printer at work was a pain because it was not automatically found (okay, this is a complex network) and at home I have a few devices that should talk with each other (some running behind switches) but only if I start them in the right order.

I wonder why there's no way to let the router handle the DNS with some sort of registering/de-registering functionality? I would think this to be more robust compared to the broadcasting.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#102

Post by temporal828 »

nemo44x wrote: post #85
londons_explore wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most washing machines will use more $ in energy in their lifespan than they cost to buy. That means it is usually worth replacing an old but working one with an energy efficient one merely for the energy savings. A modern EU machine will wash a large (10kg) load of clothes for 0.5 kwh of energy and 50 liters of water (13 gallons). An old 1980's machine might use 4.5 kwh of electricity, and 180 liters of water.

It’s interesting because although not unimportant, the outcome I’m looking for when buying a washing machine is how well it cleans clothing. Of course price, speed, and efficiency cone into play. But I think many efficient machines do a poor job at cleaning. Of course different people have different requirements. If you rarely have soiled clothing maybe it doesn’t matter. If you have kids and jobs/hobbies that soil c…

> But I think many efficient machines do a poor job at cleaning.

Not in my experience. A good high efficiency front loader tends to get the clothes cleaner - and notably with much less wear than conventional top loaders. The money savings also come from clothing replacement as well.

Water use aside it's just better technology. Complexity is an issue, but I've had good luck by staying brands and models proven for reliability.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#103

Post by cemoktra »

nonethewiser wrote: post #34
belugacat wrote: post #6

Great hack, but I’m sure any engineer worth their salt winces at the thought of a machine in their home roundtripping through far away 3rd party servers (I guess they’re the manufacturer’s, but if it’s hardware I own in my house those servers are 3rd party to me) just to notify them of a numerical value when they’re sitting literally 10 meters away (I live in the countryside and experience internet interruptions not…

I’d pay more for NO firmware in my washing machine. This is beyond my desire to just keep things simple. What is the point of washing machine you can control remotely? You have to put clothes in at the start and take them out at the end. It offers no convenience.

My washing machine displays a remaining time when you start it but is constantly wrong. So you go to the basement to find out it needs 15 more minutes. You go down 20min later and still 5min left. It is very pleasant to know when it is ready without going to the basement

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#104

Post by fatnoah »

Dragony wrote: post #93
belugacat wrote: post #6

Great hack, but I’m sure any engineer worth their salt winces at the thought of a machine in their home roundtripping through far away 3rd party servers (I guess they’re the manufacturer’s, but if it’s hardware I own in my house those servers are 3rd party to me) just to notify them of a numerical value when they’re sitting literally 10 meters away (I live in the countryside and experience internet interruptions not…

I actually worked on an App for a company that made home appliances. Originally they made everything local, so direct App to Washing machine communication. They had a really hard time with that approach for a number of reasons. The first, and most obvious, reason is that getting your phone and (all) your appliances on the same network is non-trivial. Especially for a novice user. Sometimes the washing machine is in t…

> To solve all this they decided to build a cloud API that would resolve all these problems in one go.

It solves everything except for the fact that, for people like me, it means we'll never actually give network access to the devices.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#105

Post by MisterTea »

My old early/mid 90's washer Maytag dryer set was starting to fall apart few years ago so they were replaced with an LG washer and dryer set with WiFi. The only use I can ever envision a washer needing WiFi for is telling me the remaining time and when the cycle is done.

Before I even connected the WiFi I did some research to see if the washer/dryer could be monitored from a 3rd party app. Nope. The washer has to talk to an LG server. So I poke around some more and find that there is an API for LG appliances, cool right? Nope. You need to be a "valued partner." Apparently paying $2000 for the two machines is not valued by LG.

In the end the washer and dryer remain dumb appliances because I control MY appliances. Go die in a fire LG. And that goes for every other IoT e-waste manufacturer.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#106

Post by mauvehaus »

temporal828 wrote: post #102
nemo44x wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s interesting because although not unimportant, the outcome I’m looking for when buying a washing machine is how well it cleans clothing. Of course price, speed, and efficiency cone into play. But I think many efficient machines do a poor job at cleaning. Of course different people have different requirements. If you rarely have soiled clothing maybe it doesn’t matter. If you have kids and jobs/hobbies that soil c…

> But I think many efficient machines do a poor job at cleaning. Not in my experience. A good high efficiency front loader tends to get the clothes cleaner - and notably with much less wear than conventional top loaders. The money savings also come from clothing replacement as well. Water use aside it's just better technology. Complexity is an issue, but I've had good luck by staying brands and models proven for reli…

As long as we're swapping anecdotes, I spent a day cutting MDF for a project and came home just covered in fine brown dust. The place we rented before we moved had an LG HE front-loader.

My blue pants remained brown from the dust for a couple of cycles. My carpenter neighbor has had the same experience with HE machines and has gone to a Speed Queen top-loader. He finds it much more satisfactory as well.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#107

Post by MisterTea »

Dragony wrote: post #93
belugacat wrote: post #6

Great hack, but I’m sure any engineer worth their salt winces at the thought of a machine in their home roundtripping through far away 3rd party servers (I guess they’re the manufacturer’s, but if it’s hardware I own in my house those servers are 3rd party to me) just to notify them of a numerical value when they’re sitting literally 10 meters away (I live in the countryside and experience internet interruptions not…

I actually worked on an App for a company that made home appliances. Originally they made everything local, so direct App to Washing machine communication. They had a really hard time with that approach for a number of reasons. The first, and most obvious, reason is that getting your phone and (all) your appliances on the same network is non-trivial. Especially for a novice user. Sometimes the washing machine is in t…

> The first, and most obvious, reason is that getting your phone and (all) your appliances on the same network is non-trivial.

What other networks do homes have? Every WiFi ISP router I have used provides a single network and DHCP server. Perhaps some routers provide both a public and private WiFi and the consumer doesn't understand which one they should pick but that is the fault of the ISP.

> Sometimes the washing machine is in the basement and can't connect to your WiFi. Or maybe you're simply outside your house in your car and can't connect to your local network. The cloud approach solves this.

How does the cloud fix poor/no WiFi signals? This is pure ignorance. Perhaps you are confusing cloud with "stick a SIM in everything" 5g marketing which isn't really a thing yet. I stopped reading the rest of your post at that point.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#108

Post by vb6sp6 »

Dragony wrote: post #93
belugacat wrote: post #6

Great hack, but I’m sure any engineer worth their salt winces at the thought of a machine in their home roundtripping through far away 3rd party servers (I guess they’re the manufacturer’s, but if it’s hardware I own in my house those servers are 3rd party to me) just to notify them of a numerical value when they’re sitting literally 10 meters away (I live in the countryside and experience internet interruptions not…

I actually worked on an App for a company that made home appliances. Originally they made everything local, so direct App to Washing machine communication. They had a really hard time with that approach for a number of reasons. The first, and most obvious, reason is that getting your phone and (all) your appliances on the same network is non-trivial. Especially for a novice user. Sometimes the washing machine is in t…

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Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#109

Post by dave78 »

mleo wrote: post #64

I have LG ThinQ washer and dryer. A version of ThinQ API uses AWS MQTT for communication. I find it helpful to send TTS notifications and followup reminders to Sonos when the washer is complete, until the door has been opened. The appliance knows when the door is opened/closed yet the API does not include this detail. Had to add separate contact sensors for that purpose.

Did you successfully somehow hook into the MQTT comms? I also have an LG washer/dryer and spent some time trying to do this but never finished.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#110

Post by inconceivable »

fountainofage wrote: post #94
inconceivable wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a few years ago i bought a bluestar platinum range. that's probably the closest you're going to get these days. it's all gas + mechanical, all stainless and iron, works during a power outage, etc. i looked around and didn't see any PCB's, just wiring for the lights, igniters, and convection fans. the broiler is a gas salamander style top grill. ... it was $6000 for a 30" range but it's more powerful than anything oth…

You've reminded me of a friend of mine who reached the point in his life where he was going to furnish his home with new furniture. He boasted how he was only going to buy American and wasn't going to be like everyone else favoring stuff from elsewhere. After one day of furniture shopping exclusively American, he said he couldn't justify spending so much just to buy American. And I was dumbfounded. Like he honestly b…

mm hmm. yup. also "justifying" an expense is one of those words i am very skeptical of. you can either afford it, or you can't. fwiw i didn't get the matching fridge, because i couldn't afford both (this was cash out of pocket, not some insane mortgage refi/heloc).

it came down to a choice and the range was more important to me. i did get the awesome matching vent hood though... and learned a lot about sheet metal ducting work because the installers botched that with a half-ass rush job. i got a refund on the install fee.

protip: never schedule installs on a friday afternoon.

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