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Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

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Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

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Post by atyppo »

nonethewiser wrote: post #34
belugacat wrote: post #6

Great hack, but I’m sure any engineer worth their salt winces at the thought of a machine in their home roundtripping through far away 3rd party servers (I guess they’re the manufacturer’s, but if it’s hardware I own in my house those servers are 3rd party to me) just to notify them of a numerical value when they’re sitting literally 10 meters away (I live in the countryside and experience internet interruptions not…

I’d pay more for NO firmware in my washing machine. This is beyond my desire to just keep things simple. What is the point of washing machine you can control remotely? You have to put clothes in at the start and take them out at the end. It offers no convenience.

I’d absolutely pay for some features of a smart washing machine, like a way of telling whether there’s a load currently running. I live in NYC where my building has one (non-commercial) W/D set for ten residents. Climbing up 6 floors with a heavy laundry basket sucks and avoiding wasteful trips would be something I would pay a huge premium for if I could add it on.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

>Putting aside any worries about connecting a high-speed rotating device to the internet

We should beware of these dangers, not brush them off. A nation-state could easily destroy millions of homes if/when these Internet-facing APIs are plentiful.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#83

Post by jve »

vegardx wrote: post #76
unwind wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how would that work in practice? You load the machine say in the afternoon/evening after work etc, and then it decides based on historical data that 02:35 is the local minima and starts. You run the quick 1-hour program because it's Good Enough(tm), then the laundry lies wet in the machine from 03:45 until you wake up around 06:00 to start your day hanging it? In my experience, but perhaps this is just local circ…

In Europe spot prices are announced 24 hours in advance so it's actually very easy to this. It's super handy for things like battery-electric vehicles or central heating. For the latter you also take in the weather forecast into your model, and voila, lower power usage, better comfort. For BEV you can easily set plans to charge it even more than usual to take advantage of unusual drops. My washer and heat-pump dryer…

There is a ripe for socket power relay that you can configure when should the power come on based on electricity spot price.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#84

Post by illiarian »

dochtman wrote: post #69
belugacat wrote: post #6

Great hack, but I’m sure any engineer worth their salt winces at the thought of a machine in their home roundtripping through far away 3rd party servers (I guess they’re the manufacturer’s, but if it’s hardware I own in my house those servers are 3rd party to me) just to notify them of a numerical value when they’re sitting literally 10 meters away (I live in the countryside and experience internet interruptions not…

I wonder if the Thread/Matter standards will be able to improve on this once adopted. At least they provide open standards and don't require cloud components for supported devices to communicate with your (pocket and otherwise) computers.

> At least they provide open standards and don't require cloud components for supported devices to communicate with your (pocket and otherwise) computers.

Previous standards didn't require this either, and yet every single manufacturer made their devices only work through an internet-connected hub.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#85

Post by nemo44x »

londons_explore wrote: post #38
nemo44x wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may not be as efficient but it won’t need replacement every 7 years. That alone makes up for it. Plus it’s probably easy to repair. My Speed Queen is made of like 7 parts. Most people will have gone through 3 or 4 machines by the time mine is dead.

Most washing machines will use more $ in energy in their lifespan than they cost to buy. That means it is usually worth replacing an old but working one with an energy efficient one merely for the energy savings. A modern EU machine will wash a large (10kg) load of clothes for 0.5 kwh of energy and 50 liters of water (13 gallons). An old 1980's machine might use 4.5 kwh of electricity, and 180 liters of water.

It’s interesting because although not unimportant, the outcome I’m looking for when buying a washing machine is how well it cleans clothing. Of course price, speed, and efficiency cone into play. But I think many efficient machines do a poor job at cleaning.

Of course different people have different requirements. If you rarely have soiled clothing maybe it doesn’t matter. If you have kids and jobs/hobbies that soil clothing you may also have different expectations.

Also where you are in the world. In the USA energy is generally cheap and on many places water is plentiful. If I were in Germany where energy policy has been poorly managed I’d probably have to consider efficiency more.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#86

Post by rileymat2 »

_Wintermute wrote: post #49
rileymat2 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. I would like a machine that I could start when I want, I don't like when I start a load before leaving the day then having it sit in the damp until I get home to put it in the dryer. I would prefer to be able to start it an hour before I was going home so it would be ready for transfer to the dryer then. I also would like phone notifications, it is sort of in a corner of the basement so I don't hear the a…

Every basic washing machine I've owned has had an option to delay the start for an adjustable amount of time.

My schedule is erratic and unpredictable at the beginning of the day, but I can estimate when I have an hour left.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#87

Post by illiarian »

atyppo wrote: post #81
nonethewiser wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d pay more for NO firmware in my washing machine. This is beyond my desire to just keep things simple. What is the point of washing machine you can control remotely? You have to put clothes in at the start and take them out at the end. It offers no convenience.

I’d absolutely pay for some features of a smart washing machine, like a way of telling whether there’s a load currently running. I live in NYC where my building has one (non-commercial) W/D set for ten residents. Climbing up 6 floors with a heavy laundry basket sucks and avoiding wasteful trips would be something I would pay a huge premium for if I could add it on.

This is solved by a scheduling system which in its most simple form would be purely mechanical: https://www.thenewbieguide.se/laundry-in-sweden/

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#88

Post by iengae »

matthew-wegner wrote: post #32

I use a zigbee smart outlet with power monitoring for this. If it's using power for awhile, set to washing. If power has been zero for awhile, and it's washing, set to done (and send text-to-speech event that goes out on all house speakers). This is a little Node-RED flow on top of Home Assistant.

This! I am doing a similar thing with only Home Assistant, i.e. without Node RED. No need for „smart“ appliances and reverse engineering their protocols if all you want is to be notified when the washing cycle is over.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#89

Post by inconceivable »

belugacat wrote: post #6

Great hack, but I’m sure any engineer worth their salt winces at the thought of a machine in their home roundtripping through far away 3rd party servers (I guess they’re the manufacturer’s, but if it’s hardware I own in my house those servers are 3rd party to me) just to notify them of a numerical value when they’re sitting literally 10 meters away (I live in the countryside and experience internet interruptions not…

a few years ago i bought a bluestar platinum range. that's probably the closest you're going to get these days. it's all gas + mechanical, all stainless and iron, works during a power outage, etc. i looked around and didn't see any PCB's, just wiring for the lights, igniters, and convection fans. the broiler is a gas salamander style top grill.

... it was $6000 for a 30" range but it's more powerful than anything other than commercial gear. you really do have to pay up for simplicity. iirc it was more expensive than the equivalent wolf, viking, etc. and weird european brands like la cornue don't make 30".

most people say they're willing to pay more for this kind of thing, but very, very few people actually do. it's also made in the US, another thing people claim they will pay for, but usually don't.

Re: Displaying My Washing Machine's Remaining Time with Curl, Jq, and Pizauth

#90

Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

dochtman wrote: post #69
belugacat wrote: post #6

Great hack, but I’m sure any engineer worth their salt winces at the thought of a machine in their home roundtripping through far away 3rd party servers (I guess they’re the manufacturer’s, but if it’s hardware I own in my house those servers are 3rd party to me) just to notify them of a numerical value when they’re sitting literally 10 meters away (I live in the countryside and experience internet interruptions not…

I wonder if the Thread/Matter standards will be able to improve on this once adopted. At least they provide open standards and don't require cloud components for supported devices to communicate with your (pocket and otherwise) computers.

If the device didn't incorporate zigbee, which has been around for years and years now, why would it incorporate Thread/Matter?
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