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After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by wellanyway »

birracerveza wrote: post #88
8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #3

A similar travesty of justice happened in Italy in the late 90s with a bunch of parents going to jail, their kids being taken away by the local child protection services, parents committing suicide from the trauma etc. Two decades later, as part of an investigation, the kids (now adults) came out as saying that they were brainwashed, they were pressured into confessions of satanic rituals in the local cemetery, of bl…

>unfortunately no En version of the page For the best. My blood is fucking boiling. I can't even imagine what these families were put through, this is beyond horrible. This is the work of demons indeed!

Talk about making wrong conclusions...

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by Timon3 »

account42 wrote: post #132
Timon3 wrote: post #108

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No, I am not. What I am doing is showing that this is not some malicious movement that seeks to destroy good people. There are real problems which led to the situation we are in now. I don't think people should be treated badly or unfairly, no matter which "side". But if you stop talking about social injustice because some people will (in their mind) unjustly be judged, you'll do a lot more harm than good.

Talk about the specific problems, don't attribute them to the whole movement. And don't strawman me please!

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by account42 »

watwut wrote: post #49
transcoderx wrote: post #42

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This is a lie. The moral panic is about pronouns, puberty blockers, about mental health counselling. The moral panic is trying to make books about transgender and gay banned. It is about closing libraries when they refuse to comply.

> The moral panic is about pronouns

Yes, about forcing other people to use various imaginary pronouns and chancelling those who don't go along. Naturally there is pushback to this moral panic.

> puberty blockers

Which are not irreversible so shouln't be given to children on a whim.

> mental health counselling

When it doesn't even include the possibility of questioning peoples thoughs about themselves then it is not mental health counselling.

> make books about transgender and gay banned

No books about transgender and gay have been banned in western countries in recent years. No libraries have been closed for carrying such books.

On the other hand, many books, movies and games have had transgender ideology forced into them. Some have even been edited posthumously to not be "offensive" the ideology. It is pretty clear who is trying to do the censoring here.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by throwawaylinux »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #136
throwawaylinux wrote: post #123

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Compiling lists of suspected homosexuals. Interesting. Another famous phrase from literature comes to mind, "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster."

"Suspected homosexuals" and proven hypocrites who hurt LGBT people with their rhetoric and actions are two vastly different things. Precision is important.

No, it is the very same thing in the case of this list. Precision is important.

Protesting that one's cause is noble would be missing the point of the quote entirely. Everybody who has ever made lists thought they were doing it for a worthy cause.

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Post by Timon3 »

MrPatan wrote: post #117
Timon3 wrote: post #39

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You just made a wild jump. Do you think hormones are a type of surgery?

They are a type of procedure with irreversible life-altering consequences that somehow you think children can consent to.

So you're using the word because it sounds scary, not because it's the right word? Why not use words that describe what you mean?

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Post by account42 »

notahacker wrote: post #82
transcoderx wrote: post #71

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You're the one who is trying to rope different arguemnts into the discussion here. That some people you detest who argue B also argue A is irrelevant when it comes to arguements for/against A.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by MrPatan »

pigsty wrote: post #138
MrPatan wrote: post #133

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Nope. What's you explanation then for why literally nobody cared about adult trans people just a few years ago? The difference with the others is that you can stop liking dumb edgy stuff when you grow up, but you can't grow new tits. As for the financial agenda... yeah, exactly. Just follow the money. What did you find?

> What's you explanation then for why literally nobody cared about adult trans people just a few years ago? Because it’s an invented political scapegoat, just like countless others. Trans people were out and about 10 years ago and nobody gave a shit. I’m from a small town in Appalachia and my grandma had a trans friend that was out and open 30 years ago. They stopped by when I was a kid and we treated her as a normal…

> Social media told you to be angry about people that’ve been around forever. You chose to only pay attention recently and get angry.

Again, no. It's only when they started telling children it was a good idea to sterilize themselves. Just don't do irreversible damage to children, it's that easy. Find other shibboleths to identify good communists that don't involve chopping bits off kids.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by kevviiinn »

themitigating wrote: post #22
kevviiinn wrote: post #7

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It's just reactionary politics

It's not "just" politics. Laws effect people.

You're right, perhaps I phrased that poorly. What I meant was that it's par for the course for the reactionary US political party. Definitely a bad thing

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Post by klyrs »

account42 wrote: post #137
klyrs wrote: post #11

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People believing that masses of children are literally getting surgery, circumcision notwithstanding, is a result of a persistent campaign to cause panic. And it's the same hucksters selling fear to the same religious reactionaries. New day, new apocalyptic scapegoat.

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Cis/hetero-normativity is sexual ideology though. And there's a big difference between "pushing" and "accepting."

I've seen a parent shun their 3-year old for playing dress-up -- "I can't love you if you do this". That's pushing gender ideology. My kid's grandparents started asking him if he has a "girlfriend" at around 4. That's pushing a sexual ideology.

You don't need to be religious to buy into dogmatic misinformation campaigns, no.

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Post by flir »

rainworld wrote: post #148
vidarh wrote: post #143

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Almost no word in this is true. Blockers are "reversible": You stop taking them. Their primary effect is a delay of puberty during use , nothing more drastic. "Activists" push them because the negative mental health effects of forcing trans children to go through puberty before they have a chance to decide as adults whether or not to fully transition are severe and debilitating, and it's shockingly immoral to try to…

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> Stop parroting the propaganda which we are all perfectly familiar with and educate yourself

You're at least the second person to say "do your research" rather than offer up some evidence. In my experience, that's the mark of a conspiracy theorist.

But I could easily be wrong. Have you got any papers on puberty blockers that support your position?

> Yeah, it’s shockingly immoral to not give children drugs that have existed for something like 0.01% of human existence.

Appeal to nature fallacy?

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