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After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by flir »

altacc wrote: post #91
Freak_NL wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Circumcision is one of those things that make me pessimistic about any societal change. It's an unthinkable act in most of the world, and broadly considered medically unnecessary for something like 99.9% of penises. With the exception of some religious nuts, no one does this to their son in countries like mine, but in the US the status quo means that the chance you'll lose your foreskin as a baby is about that of cal…

Yep, cultural inertia is a powerful thing. Very little about human decision making is about facts. People largely come to an emotional decision based on group identity, prior bias, etc... and then do post hoc justification with curated "facts" from sources they approve of.

Belief perseverance. For anyone who thinks (like I used to) "but not me, right? I'm rational" [this experiment](https://www.jstor.org/stable/3233529) was done on people with PhDs.

(Advertising works on me, too).

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by midoridensha »

vertis wrote: post #102
phire wrote: post #86

I assume these satanic panic cases happened everywhere. In New Zealand, we had a kindergarten teacher who was convinced of preforming satanic rituals in a medieval style torture chamber in the basement of the kindergarten, There was even a network of secret tunnels. The building didn't even have a basement. That fact alone should have been a large enough clue that four-year-old kids can be unreliable witnesses if mis…

Sounds vaguely like the whole pizzagate conspiracy[0] as well. I even heard when the gunman went to Comet's Pizza he was confused that it didn't have a basement, though I can't find a reference to this. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

The news story I remember reading said that he was indeed confused and finally realized it really did not have a basement, at which point he realized how misled he was and then he walked outside and surrendered to police. He later remarked something like "Yeah, there was bad intel there".

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Post by vidarh »

transcoderx wrote: post #57
pigsty wrote: post #24

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Transgender people have existed throughout history and on every corner of the earth. They’re documented in basically any society with written records. But for some reason, in 2023, people (mainly Americans) think it’s something new and they demand to be angry about it.

They did not propose mutilating surgeries to people throughout history. Also trans people existing does not mean there can't be a mass hysteria of kids being told to transition on shoddy scientific evidence.

They did not propose surgeries because no way of doing so were available until relatively recently.

And your claim of a hysteria of kids being told to transition closely mirrors the claim of kids being pressured into satanic rituals and similar. It's similarly fear driven and bigoted.

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Post by mpweiher »

zrail wrote: post #59
transcoderx wrote: post #54

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Puberty blockers are not safe. That's true. Their relative risk is judged against suicide, an all too common outcome among untreated trans kids (and adults).

To judge that, we would have to have some idea whether they actually reduce the risk of suicide.

"...a negative association found many years after treatment is compatible with three scenarios: puberty blockers reduced suicidal ideation; puberty blockers had no effect on suicidal ideation; puberty blockers increased suicidal ideation, albeit not enough to counteract the initial negative effect of psychological problems on eligibility. Turban et al. (2020, p. 7) acknowledged that “the study’s cross-sectional design…does not allow for determination of causation.”"

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-020-01743-6

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Post by MrPatan »

Timon3 wrote: post #39
at_a_remove wrote: post #25

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You just made a wild jump. Do you think hormones are a type of surgery?

They are a type of procedure with irreversible life-altering consequences that somehow you think children can consent to.

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Post by rainworld »

flir wrote: post #109
transcoderx wrote: post #99

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Bullshit, 16 would be too late for hormone blockers. The blockers are also said to prevent the kids from adapting to their biological gender, leading onto a path to surgery. I am amazed how willing to lie people are in this forum.

As a very rough rule of thumb, if it comes in pill form, it's probably not surgery.

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Post by psd1 »

mpweiher wrote: post #78
becquerel wrote: post #47

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george floyd was killed in the street like an animal and florida is trying to ban trans people from existing in public.

1. The murderer was tried and convicted. Society did not back him. The criminal justice system did not back him. 2. More unarmed white people are killed by police than unarmed black people. So are whites the oppressed group? ( 3. Bringing up George Floyd as "proof" for wokist ideas is exactly evidence for a moral panic, because it appeals purely to emotion with complete disregard of and in contradiction to the actual…

Your dunning-kruger is showing

1 the conviction of chauvin was an outlier event that took exceptional circumstances to achieve. The point you prefer to avoid is how rare this is.

2 is in bad faith. Your country is majority white.

3 is begging the question. How's this: your social bubble thinks Chauvin should be exonerated, and your bubble is in a moral panic that the uppity n* are getting their way.

4 typical yankee parochialism. Trans people may or may not be more free than they have ever been, in your short view. In other cultures and at other times they have had more recognition. I do grant that they have more medical options now than ever before, but OTOH infowars - by which I mean, whatever "culture war" teat the alt-right trogs suckle on nowadays - is very much a phenomenon of today

4a "largely to protect women" oh oh oh it's for their own good! Silly me

4b "rightly" contested is begging the question again

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Post by MrPatan »

pigsty wrote: post #24
friend_and_foe wrote: post #17

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Transgender people have existed throughout history and on every corner of the earth. They’re documented in basically any society with written records. But for some reason, in 2023, people (mainly Americans) think it’s something new and they demand to be angry about it.

There was no problem anywhere in the world until they came for the children.
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