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After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by watwut »

anilakar wrote: post #38
pigsty wrote: post #24

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Transgender people have existed throughout history and on every corner of the earth. They’re documented in basically any society with written records. But for some reason, in 2023, people (mainly Americans) think it’s something new and they demand to be angry about it.

A vocal minority is visibly complaining about another vocal minority visibly complaining. Thank god we have social media that enabled this in the first place.

Vocal minority is complaining about another vocal minority targeting them, including violently. It is also complaining about other vocal minority trying to make their art and fun illegal (drag).

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by transcoderx »

1letterunixname wrote: post #2

Other moral panics of thundering herds of dumb: - Salem witch trials - Know Nothing-Party - KKK - McCarthyism - Rock and roll - Banned books - Sex education - Heavy metal - Gay movement & HIV/AIDS - Video games - People who consume Fox News - People who consume US local news - Anti-immigrant hysteria Roughly 1500 innocent individuals have been executed in the US. 100k's of innocent individuals languished slowly and l…

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Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by transcoderx »

watwut wrote: post #49
transcoderx wrote: post #42

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This is a lie. The moral panic is about pronouns, puberty blockers, about mental health counselling. The moral panic is trying to make books about transgender and gay banned. It is about closing libraries when they refuse to comply.

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Post by zrail »

the_doctah wrote: post #9
d6e wrote: post #6

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And the current one is all the fear about transgender people. America seems to always need to be afraid of some group of people

I think it's more about the children having radical surgery backed by zero scientific research. Couldn't care less what adults want do to themselves.

Children don't receive elective surgery. It's just not a thing, in any medical guidelines or ethics rules, anywhere in the country. Older teens, _extremely rarely_, are allowed to have top surgery, but it's case by case.

Children _can_ receive puberty blockers, which _by definition_ are 100% completely reversible. The process to start treatment is universally difficult and involves multiple years of therapy and concurrence of multiple medical providers over time.

Source: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/aug/10/ron-desant...

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by transcoderx »

pigsty wrote: post #24
friend_and_foe wrote: post #17

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Transgender people have existed throughout history and on every corner of the earth. They’re documented in basically any society with written records. But for some reason, in 2023, people (mainly Americans) think it’s something new and they demand to be angry about it.

They did not propose mutilating surgeries to people throughout history. Also trans people existing does not mean there can't be a mass hysteria of kids being told to transition on shoddy scientific evidence.

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Post by Freak_NL »

deserialized wrote: post #13
the_doctah wrote: post #9

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I think it's more about the children having radical surgery backed by zero scientific research. Couldn't care less what adults want do to themselves.

If that were true circumcision and forced surgery on intersex kids would be banned too.

Circumcision is one of those things that make me pessimistic about any societal change. It's an unthinkable act in most of the world, and broadly considered medically unnecessary for something like 99.9% of penises. With the exception of some religious nuts, no one does this to their son in countries like mine, but in the US the status quo means that the chance you'll lose your foreskin as a baby is about that of calling heads on the flip of a coin.

It just doesn't seem to be about facts at all.

The apparent fact that the people who are pushing for personhood of embryos and rage against people reading a book in drag seem perfectly fine with male genital mutilation really highlights that this isn't about the welfare of the children at all.

As the father of a young son: damn, people are stupid.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by zrail »

transcoderx wrote: post #54
watwut wrote: post #49

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This is a lie. The moral panic is about pronouns, puberty blockers, about mental health counselling. The moral panic is trying to make books about transgender and gay banned. It is about closing libraries when they refuse to comply.

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Puberty blockers are not safe. That's true. Their relative risk is judged against suicide, an all too common outcome among untreated trans kids (and adults).

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Post by Yoric »

raffraffraff wrote: post #30
8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #20

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It's cited in the Audible series itself (that's where the investigation was originally published: https://www.audible.com/pd/Podcast/B08JJNYH2J ), which is many hours of content, so I wouldn't be able to easily dig that up unfortunately. If I recall correctly, it was a wave of professional instruction that was making its way through either teacher ed or psychologist ed, I imagine of US/UK origin. Do a search for "sat…

Those responsible rarely get their comeuppance. I mean the academics and psychiatrists who invent this baloney, and continue pushing it for years, sustaining the delusion. Some of them are still practicing today. They've casually moved onto other things.

Academics? At least in what I've seen of the US satanic panic, there were no academics that I know of. Journalists, police consultants, quack shrinks (I forgot which kind of psy.* they were), political and religious authorities, and generally people who had some power and/or money to gain from the panic.
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