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Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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Re: Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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But will John Deere do what Apple did? Here’s one example: “Apple shipped me a 79-pound iPhone repair kit to fix a 1.1-ounce battery” https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-servi... “I’m starting to think Apple doesn’t want us to repair them”

That's just the fixture Apple uses isn't it? You're not required to use it.

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I suspect that John Deere and friends will find a way to challenge this in court and -- if they eventually lose -- find a way to maliciously comply with the law. Their behavior has been actively hostile to their customers for years, and they have zero incentive to change. Like Apple's repair kits mentioned in another comment, I suspect their strategy will involve providing tools that cost nearly as much to rent as it…

Like Apple's repair kits mentioned in another comment, I suspect their strategy will involve providing tools that cost nearly as much to rent as it would take to buy a new machine.

That reminds me of how much things have changed since the "good old days". I have some service manuals for mid-century equipment that don't need much in the way of special tools, and where one is needed or would be helpful, they tell you how to make one.

Re: Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

New York's chapter amendment process is totally novel in my legislative experience, haven't come across it anywhere else. Gives the governor a lot of power.

Do you have links about this? I was extremely disappointed [1] when I learned about Hochul's last minute nerfing of right to repair and I'd be curious to learn more how the governors office acquired that power. IANAL but thought separation of powers was supposed to be guaranteed by the Constitutions, both US and NY. What happened? [1] https://twitter.com/onpaws/status/1618787954306211840

Lots of things are supposed to be guaranteed by various constitutions which, sadly, are not.

Re: Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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But will John Deere do what Apple did? Here’s one example: “Apple shipped me a 79-pound iPhone repair kit to fix a 1.1-ounce battery” https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-servi... “I’m starting to think Apple doesn’t want us to repair them”

Heaven forbid you want to replace a blown capacitor.

Re: Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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But will John Deere do what Apple did? Here’s one example: “Apple shipped me a 79-pound iPhone repair kit to fix a 1.1-ounce battery” https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-servi... “I’m starting to think Apple doesn’t want us to repair them”

Honestly, that’s kind of cool to get the entire repair rig. I doubt it’s worth it for them to differentiate based on the of work done, so they just send the entire kit.

I don’t mind that Apple does this if anyone is allowed to make their own repair rig as well.

Re: Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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But will John Deere do what Apple did? Here’s one example: “Apple shipped me a 79-pound iPhone repair kit to fix a 1.1-ounce battery” https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-servi... “I’m starting to think Apple doesn’t want us to repair them”

That's just the fixture Apple uses isn't it? You're not required to use it.

They ship you the tools their stores and authorized third parties seem to use to do a proper quality repair.

Yeah it’s heavy. But you don’t buy it, it’s lent to you (via a hold on your credit card).

I know people complain about this but should they send the battery in an envelope and say “good luck”?

Even if they design the phones to be more repairable (which I know many hope for), nothing can change the design of the phone you bought 2 years ago. And what Apple is doing is miles better than what they were doing before.

Re: Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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I suspect that John Deere and friends will find a way to challenge this in court and -- if they eventually lose -- find a way to maliciously comply with the law. Their behavior has been actively hostile to their customers for years, and they have zero incentive to change. Like Apple's repair kits mentioned in another comment, I suspect their strategy will involve providing tools that cost nearly as much to rent as it…

Name, shame, and industry blacklist Deere product managers. It's the only way. Stop acting like there's nothing that can be done.

Re: Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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But will John Deere do what Apple did? Here’s one example: “Apple shipped me a 79-pound iPhone repair kit to fix a 1.1-ounce battery” https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-servi... “I’m starting to think Apple doesn’t want us to repair them”

so what happens if the kit gets "stolen"? $1200 for all of that stuff sounds like kind of a deal, especially with 2 pelicans.

Re: Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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I suspect that John Deere and friends will find a way to challenge this in court and -- if they eventually lose -- find a way to maliciously comply with the law. Their behavior has been actively hostile to their customers for years, and they have zero incentive to change. Like Apple's repair kits mentioned in another comment, I suspect their strategy will involve providing tools that cost nearly as much to rent as it…

Apple's repair kits are a weird comparison here. The rental is $49, and that's probably at cost or close to it given the shipping costs both ways for a 79-pound box.

There's nothing malicious compliance about it... it's just a pain in the ass to repair modern ultra-light and ultra-efficient phones the "right" way.

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