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I worked at Google for -10 days

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by aleksi »

caskstrength wrote: post #375
stickfigure wrote: post #345

I'm not sure why anyone hasn't brought up the elephant in the room. OP, you're now an unemployed male of draftable age living in Russia, which is doing poorly in a war with your neighbor. Depending on how the anticipated Ukranian spring offensive fares, extremely bad things could happen to you very soon. You already made yourself mobile. This would be a good time to take a six-month vacation anywhere outside Russia.…

IT professionals are supposedly exempt from mobilization in Russia AFAIK.

That’s generally not true. Only some companies have this «accreditation». Many of my IT friends were drafted.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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caskstrength wrote: post #375
stickfigure wrote: post #345

I'm not sure why anyone hasn't brought up the elephant in the room. OP, you're now an unemployed male of draftable age living in Russia, which is doing poorly in a war with your neighbor. Depending on how the anticipated Ukranian spring offensive fares, extremely bad things could happen to you very soon. You already made yourself mobile. This would be a good time to take a six-month vacation anywhere outside Russia.…

IT professionals are supposedly exempt from mobilization in Russia AFAIK.

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by taylodl »

ghaff wrote: post #264
irrational wrote: post #246

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At my company, there is no 2 weeks. The day you give your two weeks notice is your last day. We might pay you for those two weeks, depending on circumstances, but your building and network access is cut off within the hour. So, I personally would not give my notice until the day I actually want to be my last day.

That has never been the case at any company I have ever worked for. My impression is that two weeks notice with continued access is pretty standard so long as you're leaving on good terms.

Many companies require staff to leave immediately upon tendering their resignation - including non-IT companies like mine. You tender your resignation and all your access is removed within 24 hours. I work for a utility company that manages what the Department of Homeland Security classifies as 'National Critical Infrastructure', i.e. generation plants, transmission, distribution, metering, and FERC mandates your access is cut off ASAP. You'll get paid for your last two weeks, but you can't do anything.

My friends in health and finance have said they have similar mandates. Us folks in IT can mess up too many things to be granted continued access. We need to be cut off.

Even prior to working for a utility I've worked at places where people were escorted off the property by security when they tendered their resignation. Their personal items in their office would be packed up and shipped to them. This has been going on for decades.

There was one job I had where I was so well-liked and we had considerable mutual respect that I was still granted visitor access to the facilities, meaning I required an escort. I no longer had access to any of the systems, but I could guide those who did. That worked out really well, too. Heck, they negotiated an extra six weeks instead of two and paid me 50% more to boot! That made a helluva impression at my new company! Then I got a great sign-on bonus at my new company! Boy, those were the days!

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by jsnell »

VirusNewbie wrote: post #334
technothrasher wrote: post #238

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> though they do pay good money. When my wife was looking for a VP level position at a tech company last year, Google's interview process was by far the most cumbersome and their offer was the lowest she got by a sizeable amount. When she mentioned this to them, they said she could begin the process all over again to see if she could maybe get more. She thanked them for their time and then accepted one of the reasona…

I cannot actually believe this. Can you share actual numbers? Google pays well above most Fortune 50 companies at the VP level. Definitely over a few million per year. I can think of a handful of companies that pay more, unless I’m totally mistaken.

It sounds like somebody being a VP at a 50-person company, submitting a resume, and getting an interview for a L6 eng manager position.

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Post by modderation »

lotsoweiners wrote: post #369
epage wrote: post #349

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I quit a place that had the opposite, you were required to work your last two weeks, no vacation. It was frustrating because I had mapped out using up my vacation before the job change, unaware of the policy.

What are they going to do? Fire you?

Even worse, they might even try to _hire_ you!

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by taylodl »

alanfranz wrote: post #360
efitz wrote: post #341

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I can confirm based on my experience that at Microsoft, depending on a lot of factors like your level, role, information you have access to, and where you’re going, that they may terminate immediately as soon as you give them notice. Amazon has rapid termination processes as well but I’m not as clear on their criteria. If you work for a big technology company and are jumping to a perceived competitor, and/or if you h…

> that they may terminate immediately as soon as you give them notice. Which is nonsense, because it’s the employee that chooses when to tell the employer. If I want to exfiltrate confidential data, I’ll do it first, then I resign. It’s different on layoffs, where disgruntled employees could break havoc.

That's not how Corporate Accountability works. If you tender your resignation and I continue to provide you access to the systems then I'm accountable for having continued your access to those systems.

If you exfiltrated confidential data prior to tendering your resignation then no one remaining in the organization is responsible for your actions. It may trigger a policy review to minimize the exfiltration of confidential data, but no one remaining is accountable. Moreover, the exfiltration of confidential data will put you in felony land and your employer will prosecute. You're guaranteed to lose your new job too, and likely never work again.

No, what most employees do instead - for those who do these kinds of things, which is exceedingly rare - is destroy data. That is extremely damaging to an enterprise.

There are plenty of motivations to get your rear end away from the keyboard! Some are legally mandated, depending upon which industry you're working in.

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Post by snotrockets »

fsociety wrote: post #315
tyingq wrote: post #17

I've heard several stories about companies rescinding offers in a timeframe where it's obvious the candidate would have already made irreversible decisions. Funny thing is that the same HR people will tell their own stories about candidates backing out with huge eyerolls, distain, etc. I suppose the more common it becomes, the less the "offer" process will mean in practice. Candidates will hedge their bets. Edit: If…

I will out myself to some folks, and hope they keep me pseudo-anonymous :). I rescinded my Google offer to take another which had a more personally meaningful role and paid significantly higher (I think 50% higher?). Google then put me on a call with a "senior" recruiter who said they'd beat the offer no question, which would have had me start at N level but be paid at the upper end of N+1 level. I refused. Then they…

With all the companies I interviewed with in the past, Google was the one where it seems no one managing the process gave a damn about the candidates. I swore off working for them just based on that.

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Post by RussianCow »

maxlamb wrote: post #322
RussianCow wrote: post #279

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I don't think it's that uncommon. I have personally worked at two companies that didn't do the background check until after employment (which I would never do again), and I've heard this anecdote a few times from others.

Were these companies startups or outside the U.S.? I’ve never heard of a big company doing a background check after start date, that makes no sense.

These were US-based startups, to be clear. I would be surprised if very many larger companies did it this way since they generally have a formal process for this.

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Post by msm_ »

93po wrote: post #214
AlwaysRock wrote: post #203

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Then you give -10 days notice. 2 weeks is a nicety and not legally required in the USA. Probably not required in many other places as well. It's unfortunate but I've never had a manager get too upset about it.

Also jobs often/usually fire people with 0 day notice and no severance. I don't know why it's an expectation that employees would give notice without any reciprocation.

> Also jobs often/usually fire people with 0 day notice and no severance.

This is only true in the US.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by msm_ »

d1str0 wrote: post #249
occamrazor wrote: post #230

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In many places the notice period is enforceable, with a standard period of three to six months for senior positions.

Many, but definitely not all. And Google and other big tech companies usually have “at-will” employment on both sides. Just know that it very well might be an option for you.

Many places, as in physical places. Google definitely has notice periods enforced by law in Europe.
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