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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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In many places the notice period is enforceable, with a standard period of three to six months for senior positions.

What places?

In Germany at least 4 weeks depending on how long you have been with the company up to 7 months.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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I have never worked for a company that does the background checks, drug screens, etc on your start date, Typical process that I have had both as employee and a manager is 1. Offer Letter 2. Offer Accepted 3. Pre-Employment Activities start. Start Date is set 2 weeks out 4. Pre-Employment Activities Completed 1 Week out 5. New Employee Starts. It would/should not be an issue for an incoming employee to request a start…

I don't think it's that uncommon. I have personally worked at two companies that didn't do the background check until after employment (which I would never do again), and I've heard this anecdote a few times from others.

Were these companies startups or outside the U.S.? I’ve never heard of a big company doing a background check after start date, that makes no sense.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Not giving a 2 week notice is not unprofessional. And if you don't get recruited/"a good recommendation" from them for it, chances are that bridge burning was worthwhile.

So giving zero notice is not unprofessional? I have a ton of important things I am doing at work, if I left without doing any work to transition that work to new people, it is going to put all the people at my company in a tough position. They could figure it out eventually, but it would be a lot of extra work for my coworkers that could be avoided if I spent two weeks working with the team to transition the work.

Sounds to me like the company didn't plan correctly or have adequate staffing in place for the workload.

If they did, an abrupt loss of an employee wouldn't put them "in a tough position"

I hope you don't die and put them in a tough position for not giving a 2 week notice beforehand.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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0 day notice and no severance is unusual, at least for skilled professional jobs in the US. It does happen, but usually only for some unusual circumstance, like some kind of employee misbehavior or a sudden financial calamity for the company. Two weeks notice by the employee or severance by the employer is the most common case on both sides, probably for roughly 80% or so of professional jobs including all of my own.…

Anecdotally, I have never heard of a US company giving two weeks notice for a termination of any kind. The vast majority of terminations I've seen are immediate, but I've also seen companies give termination dates in the (relatively) far future to employees (generally a couple months, but I've seen 1-2 years). Severance is also only common in large organizations. I've seen few small startups or bootstrapped companies…

Right, termination is usually done immediately, nobody wants to keep a jilted employee on hand to cause damage on their way out the door. But unless the termination was for some kind of misbehavior, severance pay is most common, even among fairly small companies in my experience. (Maybe not a startup in immediate danger of insolvency, of course.)

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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That's a very stupid and short-sighted attitude. Russia has effectively been a dictatorship for the past couple of decades, so most regular people have zero control over the policy. Most pretend to just not notice things and hope their lives won't be affected, some tried protesting and ended up jailed, a few prominent idea-driven people got assassinated. So yeah, sure, let's blanket-ban everyone with a Russian passpo…

> Sanctioning specific companies and specific individuals makes sense. Blanket bans is just venting your own steam in a counterproductive way. Google has to respond to who the government sanctions. Russia has been sanctioned and it rightfully makes Google wary of doing business with them. If you think sanctions are counterproductive, you can vote for the GOP, because people like Matt Gaetz are fighting to end the inv…

Sanctions prohibit transactions with specific companies, banks, and a few other entities. They actually make a lot of economic sense, as they are designed to weaken the parts of the economy used to fund the Russian warfare.

Sanctions against private citizens in Russia would tangentially contribute by reducing the cash flow inside the country.

Targeting random people that are actually trying to leave the country is like what? You expect them to instead go take pitchforks and storm Putin's bunker? Or kill themselves out of shame? More likely, they'll find whatever employment there is inside the country and pays well, and chances are, it will be closely related to the Russian government.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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The last time I saw this happen regularly was in Spring 2002. Tech had a big wave of layoffs after 9/11, and a lot of college hires got their offers and then had them rescinded before starting. Some of them even got their sign on bonuses.

But the best story was the guy who got both his sign on bonus and full severance, and never showed up for a day of work.

Between the bonus and severance, he ended up with almost a full year's salary, all up front. He decided to fly to the southern hemisphere to extend the ski season through August.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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In many places the notice period is enforceable, with a standard period of three to six months for senior positions.

What places?

Other countriesin the world, besides the US. In European countries you can't just tell someone tonnit come tomorrow and not pay anything. Sure you csn tell them to not come anymore if you want to keep your secrets or whatever but the company has to pay for this notice period like the person was working there.

When I or colleagues have changed jobs then we have given a month or more notice, continued working etc. Only when someone is fired for total incompetence or just not showing up you don't want to see them anymore ever in the office so the company pays for the notice period time.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

>Then I got any email from Couchbase's lawyers with a document stating they would hire me for 10 days total and no longer.

I wonder what would happen to your sign-up bonus? There is usually a clawback clause if you decide to leave yourself, but letting you go after 10 days should still make them liable for it.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

It was very dishonest and ignorant of them, I will remember them for that! And spread how they f around people. Apparently my strategy of not to handing in notice before a contract is discussed and executed (signed) is not a bad move. I make this clear normally when I start discussing details of employment. I usually tell "I can start x weeks after my contract is signed", where x is the noice period in the previous p…

>Apparently my strategy of not to handing in notice before a contract is discussed and executed (signed) is not a bad move.

I mean, sure? Not quitting before you and they actually sign a piece of paper is a practice absolutely no one should disagree with. No particular reason your start date can't be a bit further out than your customary notice period though if your new employer to be is OK with it and you want to take some time off.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

0 day notice and no severance is unusual, at least for skilled professional jobs in the US. It does happen, but usually only for some unusual circumstance, like some kind of employee misbehavior or a sudden financial calamity for the company. Two weeks notice by the employee or severance by the employer is the most common case on both sides, probably for roughly 80% or so of professional jobs including all of my own.…

Anecdotally, I have never heard of a US company giving two weeks notice for a termination of any kind. The vast majority of terminations I've seen are immediate, but I've also seen companies give termination dates in the (relatively) far future to employees (generally a couple months, but I've seen 1-2 years). Severance is also only common in large organizations. I've seen few small startups or bootstrapped companies…

Same. Never seen a 2 weeks in the US from the company. It's either "get out, now." or else it's a layoff situation where there is usually 2-3 months to let them gracefully out.

Exceptions being PIPs, if you want to characterize it that way; usually a gracious way to push people out without the drama or severance.

I now live in Canada and there are some different requirements re: getting terminated.

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