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I worked at Google for -10 days

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by l33t233372 »

tough wrote: post #88
l33t233372 wrote: post #75

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> Ban revoking offers only for overseas employees (who are hurt most by this). This will ensure that the hiring bar for overseas employees is set sky high and it will already be harder for them to compete Laws are generally created to benefit people who are not described as “overseas”

Well fuck your laws if they will discriminate me based on whereever seas I come from or whatever. So much for the land of the free, supposing these people have their visas and shit in order, I don't see why the law shouldn't protect them too

I’m not sure why you are referring to the “land of the free,” as I was referring to laws of countries in general. Laws are nearly always created to benefit the country creating them.

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Post by tifik »

nisegami wrote: post #299
tifik wrote: post #11

That sucks. I moved first, then started looking for a job, because I was afraid of this exact scenario. I am not Russian but I imagine that for Russians it is likely very difficult to immigrate into a western country without a job offer in the current geopolitical situation. Good luck. The current SI job market definitely made me reconsider my previous approach of finding greener pastures every 2-3 years. Being the n…

>for Russians it is likely very difficult to immigrate into a western country without a job offer in the current geopolitical situation It's difficult for _anyone_ to immigrate to a western country without a job offer.

Fair point.

To be precise, by difficult I meant 'practically impossible', which to your point would certainly apply to pretty much anyone from outside of what is considered 'western' countries. While there certainly always is a process, if you are already a citizen of any western country, immigrating to another one is relatively easy in comparison.

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Post by zb1plus »

BowBun wrote: post #351
mschild wrote: post #22

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On a general level sure maybe, but for this particular case, there was little economical need for Google to have any layoffs. They're swimming in money and are highly profitable. Pulling the rug out underneath a new employee who is days away from starting and moving his whole life to a new country is simply shitty behaviour.

I get that the HN crowd is sensitive to FAANG layoffs. That being said, it's hard to take seriously an anonymous comment claiming they know better than Google's executive board about whether or not they needed layoffs. Unless you were in those discussions, your ideas probably come from the same blog posts posted to HN in the last 6 months. I don't stand to gain anything from defending them, but can we drop the hubris…

I feel the opposite way, when you look at blunders like the Metaverse or Google's complete failure to capitalize on its work with LLMs, you really have to question whether the executive boards of FAANGs really know how to do anything but make themselves more money these days. I can't help but wonder if Google and other FAANGs would making more money and producing better products if the people slinging code and talking to customers were running the company.

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Post by zac23or »

It is difficult to have confidence in companies. In recent job changes, I did something different: I started at a new company before quitting my previous job. In the old 8 hours, in the new 4 hours a day. Both companies know this. It is, for me, the only way to change jobs today.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by caskstrength »

stickfigure wrote: post #345

I'm not sure why anyone hasn't brought up the elephant in the room. OP, you're now an unemployed male of draftable age living in Russia, which is doing poorly in a war with your neighbor. Depending on how the anticipated Ukranian spring offensive fares, extremely bad things could happen to you very soon. You already made yourself mobile. This would be a good time to take a six-month vacation anywhere outside Russia.…

IT professionals are supposedly exempt from mobilization in Russia AFAIK.

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Post by icedchai »

epage wrote: post #349
irrational wrote: post #246

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At my company, there is no 2 weeks. The day you give your two weeks notice is your last day. We might pay you for those two weeks, depending on circumstances, but your building and network access is cut off within the hour. So, I personally would not give my notice until the day I actually want to be my last day.

I quit a place that had the opposite, you were required to work your last two weeks, no vacation. It was frustrating because I had mapped out using up my vacation before the job change, unaware of the policy.

Sounds like you should've been "sick" during those last 2 weeks.

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Post by BoorishBears »

twelve40 wrote: post #170
zinclozenge wrote: post #139

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I will one up you, I don't put in notice until I'm 1-2 weeks into my new job. Don't really have any justification except for paranoia, which is only getting more validated from other anecdotes in this thread.

I would be onboard to try something like that, but how is this practically possible? you have to pose for 1-2 weeks like you're working both jobs, and then the 2 more weeks for the notice? how is that possible?

Presumably you'd take PTO for 2 weeks and give no notice.

2 weeks of PTO is enough time to justify "offboarding" any major efforts, and then you just leave.

Not sure I'd go for that but math checks out

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Post by caskstrength »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #95
blcknight wrote: post #63

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> Having an offer rescinded for 'business reasons' is unbelievably annoying, and the author has my sympathy. That said, it's kind of understandable too. Things happen. It's not understandable, Google is doing financially fine. If they determine they made a mistake they should have to pay a penalty. You would not get that grace in your own personal life, I don't know why we grant it to companies in employment contract…

The candidate can also accept the offer and then take a job somewhere else without penalty, so it is at least symmetric.

> it is at least symmetric

No, the cost for individual would-be employee and a big FAANG company is nowhere near "symmetric".

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Post by BoorishBears »

ProjectArcturis wrote: post #361
VikingCoder wrote: post #69

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George Carlin: Everyone who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everyone who drives faster than you is an asshole.

It's a good joke, but isn't that accurate? If I'm driving at the proper speed, anyone driving faster or slower is wrong.

What's the proper speed? If the majority of traffic is going 70 in a 65, and you consider the speed limit the proper speed, to the majority trying to squeeze around you: you're the idiot.

If you consider "the going rate of traffic" the proper speed, then everyone going the speed limit will look at you as the speeding idiot.

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