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I worked at Google for -10 days

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by gymbeaux »

bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

Stories like these are why I probably won’t give notice at Job A until I’ve already passed probation at Job B. If both jobs are remote, why not?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by 0xDEF »

entropyneur wrote: post #179

Russia has enacted a law today that basically says that you can't leave the country from the moment they decide to draft/mobilize you. So good thing you already have your belongings sold. Time to jump on a plane to Tbilisi.

Most tech people in Russia are rich enough to bribe themselves out of that.

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Post by smsm42 »

Google surely pays well, and it must be that working there is a pleasure beyond understanding of a mere mortal, because I really am not seeing how waiting for 10 months to just to get an offer is otherwise making any sense. Unless you're independently rich, you'd have to work in the meantime. So, if you're not currently employed, considering Google as your next option is impossible - you need to apply for another job, and hold it for about a year while knowing you may have to quit at any moment, maybe next week, maybe in a year. Which I don't think is fair to the "substitute" employer. So, basically, to apply to Google you have to have a steady secure job first. Is that how it's supposed to work?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by malfist »

twawaaay wrote: post #81
sashank_1509 wrote: post #7

There’s no great solution to this apart from the economy and company doing well so that this doesnt happen. I’ll lay out the reasons below: 1. Let’s say we pass a law that prevents offers from being revoked. This will make hiring much harder and increase 5 rounds to like 10 and involve many more committees and even then most candidates other than sureshots getting rejected. 2. Ban revoking offers only for overseas em…

I fail to see the reason for why ban on revoking offers would cause 2x more interview rounds.

It's a strawman. If a company decided they were going to hire someone, they wouldn't suddenly decide to spend twice as much hiring that person, just in case they have a layoff in the future. It just doesn't follow

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Post by Supermancho »

ghaff wrote: post #264
irrational wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At my company, there is no 2 weeks. The day you give your two weeks notice is your last day. We might pay you for those two weeks, depending on circumstances, but your building and network access is cut off within the hour. So, I personally would not give my notice until the day I actually want to be my last day.

That has never been the case at any company I have ever worked for. My impression is that two weeks notice with continued access is pretty standard so long as you're leaving on good terms.

> That has never been the case at any company I have ever worked for.

Many companies are essentially antagonistic with all IT resources. It's very common where positions are not well paid or the company is not tech-centric, eg Mike Ferry Organization

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Post by notahacker »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #150
McSwag wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally they will if tech workers unionize, which has its own baggage and list of disadvantages for everyone but if tech companies get in a bad habit of treating employees poorly that’s exactly what will happen.

Perhaps so. But until that happens , I can't stick it in an employment contract.

And also, unions don't exist to give workers the ability to stick arbitrary clauses in employment contracts, they exist to try to lobby for better standard terms for union members. And relocation packages for new employees are a very long way down a union members' list of concerns, since people tend to join the union after they've relocated...

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Post by clutchdude »

tyingq wrote: post #17

I've heard several stories about companies rescinding offers in a timeframe where it's obvious the candidate would have already made irreversible decisions. Funny thing is that the same HR people will tell their own stories about candidates backing out with huge eyerolls, distain, etc. I suppose the more common it becomes, the less the "offer" process will mean in practice. Candidates will hedge their bets. Edit: If…

This has become common for us when hiring in India where the offer to start dates are measured in weeks to a month or two.

The candidate will accept the offer, keep interviewing other places then, shortly before the start date(usually as we begin getting hardware shipped to an office for pickup, assign mentors), they pick the job that pays best/more prestige, etc.

We had one case where the person worked with us for one week then quit because they got a better offer after starting.

Probably works out well for them, so I can see the reason why.

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Post by ghaff »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #277
mcast wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think OP meant they’ll be moonlighting 2 jobs for 2 weeks.

Ah. I still don't understand how this isn't considered fraud, or people aren't worried about being prosecuted or sued over it. Getting paid to do two "full-time" jobs simultaneously, without them knowing about it. Maybe just confident they won't get caught.

I think that they might be fired if new employer somehow finds out about it. (Though I doubt anyone would bother suing.) I don't understand all the people counseling getting some incremental protection against a low probability event (offer being withdrawn) when that incremental protection is something you'll probably get away with but better hope no one finds out.

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Post by nisegami »

tifik wrote: post #11

That sucks. I moved first, then started looking for a job, because I was afraid of this exact scenario. I am not Russian but I imagine that for Russians it is likely very difficult to immigrate into a western country without a job offer in the current geopolitical situation. Good luck. The current SI job market definitely made me reconsider my previous approach of finding greener pastures every 2-3 years. Being the n…

>for Russians it is likely very difficult to immigrate into a western country without a job offer in the current geopolitical situation

It's difficult for _anyone_ to immigrate to a western country without a job offer.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by smsm42 »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #277
mcast wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think OP meant they’ll be moonlighting 2 jobs for 2 weeks.

Ah. I still don't understand how this isn't considered fraud, or people aren't worried about being prosecuted or sued over it. Getting paid to do two "full-time" jobs simultaneously, without them knowing about it. Maybe just confident they won't get caught.

https://www.wired.com/story/remote-tech-workers-secret-multi...
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