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Post by efitz »

chihuahua wrote: post #303
ghaff wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has never been the case at any company I have ever worked for. My impression is that two weeks notice with continued access is pretty standard so long as you're leaving on good terms.

At Microsoft, the standard practice is that if you say you're leaving to take a job a company they consider a competitor, they cut off all your access at the end of the day, even if your manager wants you to stick around for knowledge transfer. If it's not a competitor, it's up to you how much notice you want to give. If you say you're leaving but don't say who your next employer is, they assume it's a competitor. Fa…

I can confirm based on my experience that at Microsoft, depending on a lot of factors like your level, role, information you have access to, and where you’re going, that they may terminate immediately as soon as you give them notice.

Amazon has rapid termination processes as well but I’m not as clear on their criteria.

If you work for a big technology company and are jumping to a perceived competitor, and/or if you have access to sensitive information, then you should expect that the day you give notice will be your last day.

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Post by gorbachev »

SassyGrapefruit wrote: post #311
sashank_1509 wrote: post #7

There’s no great solution to this apart from the economy and company doing well so that this doesnt happen. I’ll lay out the reasons below: 1. Let’s say we pass a law that prevents offers from being revoked. This will make hiring much harder and increase 5 rounds to like 10 and involve many more committees and even then most candidates other than sureshots getting rejected. 2. Ban revoking offers only for overseas em…

The issue is these businesses are hiring without strategy, consideration to risk, or proper forecasting. There should never be a situation within a fortune 100 business where the forecasting is so poor that offers are rescinded. I began making household budget accommodations for the macro economic situation in the first half of 2022. What was google doing at this point? How does a business spend $20-30K on the search…

The reason is that they are deadly afraid of mass layoffs being leaked beforehand and causing the stock price to slide or a bunch of negative press about it, so the people who know aren't telling anyone but the VIPs in the company about it until the last possible minute.

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Post by motbus3 »

It seems in UK your role can be put redundancy but you are not technically fired. It is the position that needs to be decided and they need to compensate you accordingly to the law. They chose you because most of the factors are time dependent, so as you had not start it was cheaper to cancel the contract.

I think the worst part is that probably they knew about this 2 or 3 months ago but held the information because they "cannot" speak openly about layoffs because of inside trading rules and etc.

For me, they should have told you that months earlier and compensate for, at least, the financial loss you had.

And never send a notice to quit before having anything triple checked.you can condition your move to their speed in sending the contract and offer, out of any contracts, to start preparing for the change.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by gorbachev »

bambax wrote: post #257
sashank_1509 wrote: post #7

There’s no great solution to this apart from the economy and company doing well so that this doesnt happen. I’ll lay out the reasons below: 1. Let’s say we pass a law that prevents offers from being revoked. This will make hiring much harder and increase 5 rounds to like 10 and involve many more committees and even then most candidates other than sureshots getting rejected. 2. Ban revoking offers only for overseas em…

3. Any offer revoked before the agreed start date implies mandatory payment of 6 months of salary, automatically, without exception.

So they'll just "revoke" the offer the day you start.

For an international relocation that would be much, much worse than what happened here.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by stickfigure »

I'm not sure why anyone hasn't brought up the elephant in the room. OP, you're now an unemployed male of draftable age living in Russia, which is doing poorly in a war with your neighbor. Depending on how the anticipated Ukranian spring offensive fares, extremely bad things could happen to you very soon.

You already made yourself mobile. This would be a good time to take a six-month vacation anywhere outside Russia. Look for remote work after you cross the border.

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Post by conductr »

irrational wrote: post #246
AlwaysRock wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you give -10 days notice. 2 weeks is a nicety and not legally required in the USA. Probably not required in many other places as well. It's unfortunate but I've never had a manager get too upset about it.

At my company, there is no 2 weeks. The day you give your two weeks notice is your last day. We might pay you for those two weeks, depending on circumstances, but your building and network access is cut off within the hour. So, I personally would not give my notice until the day I actually want to be my last day.

One of my employer's had that policy too; until I quit. They made an exception and wanted me to stay to help transition. I did help where I could (because I liked them and knew they needed it, I know I didn't have to)

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by conductr »

saagarjha wrote: post #307
irrational wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At my company, there is no 2 weeks. The day you give your two weeks notice is your last day. We might pay you for those two weeks, depending on circumstances, but your building and network access is cut off within the hour. So, I personally would not give my notice until the day I actually want to be my last day.

Your company is doing the something that is legal but still a jerk move.

Not really, they could be exposed to risk and it's typical to just pay you for the 2 weeks and cut off access so the risk is mitigated

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by alberth »

bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

> He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight were documentation.

Would you mind elaborating?

Really hope you were able to find something better. Sounds like that’s not a place you’d want to be at anyways.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by epage »

irrational wrote: post #246
AlwaysRock wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you give -10 days notice. 2 weeks is a nicety and not legally required in the USA. Probably not required in many other places as well. It's unfortunate but I've never had a manager get too upset about it.

At my company, there is no 2 weeks. The day you give your two weeks notice is your last day. We might pay you for those two weeks, depending on circumstances, but your building and network access is cut off within the hour. So, I personally would not give my notice until the day I actually want to be my last day.

I quit a place that had the opposite, you were required to work your last two weeks, no vacation. It was frustrating because I had mapped out using up my vacation before the job change, unaware of the policy.

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Post by blcknight »

code_runner wrote: post #173
blcknight wrote: post #39

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Why do you think rounds would be higher if an offer is unrevokable? That makes no sense to me. At the very least, companies rescinding offers should make a payment equal to a few months of pay. This trend of companies revoking offers and saying "too bad, sorry you quit your job, sold your house and most of your belongings for us."

i'm not saying that the company has no responsibility... any company (even one as massive as google) can do better than an email and "so bad so sad". However, regardless of economic factors, the process of quitting your job, selling your house, and most of your belongings is inherently risky! In this case its VERY high risk VERY high reward (at least in my estimation). This definitely disadvantages people needing to…

> we can't eliminate the risk of such a massive decision

Lol we literally can, or at least mitigate. It’s easy to pass a law (if the particular legislature works for its people and not the corporate interests) that makes job offers binding and getting out of them requires making the other party at least partially whole.

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