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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by gberger »

miniwark wrote: post #250

The "business reasons" by Google are probably completely fake, but we have some pointers from OP who give us the real reason : - OP is russian - OP was working at Yandex (who had an history of "strange" relationships with the russian government) - in December 2022 Vladimir Poutine take over the russian subsidiaries of Yandex (through Alexeï Koudrine) -> more "strange" relationships - OP received an official offer in…

That doesn't check out, your timeline is not quite correct. Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, not 2023. That's before OP even started the application.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by Shaanie »

irrational wrote: post #247
occamrazor wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many places the notice period is enforceable, with a standard period of three to six months for senior positions.

What places?

Three months is fairly common in Sweden, and longer than that isn't all that rare (often depends on how long you've worked at the company).

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by petercooper »

xooglechoogle wrote: post #228
petercooper wrote: post #140

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I agree, but as 'Bill Gates' said on The Simpsons: "I didn't get rich by writing a lot of checks."

Easily justified as good marketing. This #1 post on HN will Google (in various ways) much more than the cash they could have used to look like good guys, even if it wasn't done out of goodness.

Much more than the cash to handle potentially thousands of applicants who were in a similar position?

(Don't get me wrong, I do think large companies should be held to higher ethical standards, but we don't seem to be there yet.)

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by RussianCow »

vikingerik wrote: post #258
93po wrote: post #214

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Also jobs often/usually fire people with 0 day notice and no severance. I don't know why it's an expectation that employees would give notice without any reciprocation.

0 day notice and no severance is unusual, at least for skilled professional jobs in the US. It does happen, but usually only for some unusual circumstance, like some kind of employee misbehavior or a sudden financial calamity for the company. Two weeks notice by the employee or severance by the employer is the most common case on both sides, probably for roughly 80% or so of professional jobs including all of my own.…

Anecdotally, I have never heard of a US company giving two weeks notice for a termination of any kind. The vast majority of terminations I've seen are immediate, but I've also seen companies give termination dates in the (relatively) far future to employees (generally a couple months, but I've seen 1-2 years).

Severance is also only common in large organizations. I've seen few small startups or bootstrapped companies pay severance when letting people go.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by phpisthebest »

yebyen wrote: post #167
mattw2121 wrote: post #110

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Never put in notice until background checks and all on boarding paperwork is 100% complete. Putting in notice on an offer letter is premature and, unfortunately, leads to bad results.

How's that supposed to work, when the process dictates that onboarding begins on your start date? If only we could give -10 days notice.

I have never worked for a company that does the background checks, drug screens, etc on your start date,

Typical process that I have had both as employee and a manager is

1. Offer Letter

2. Offer Accepted

3. Pre-Employment Activities start. Start Date is set 2 weeks out

4. Pre-Employment Activities Completed 1 Week out

5. New Employee Starts.

It would/should not be an issue for an incoming employee to request a start day 2 week after Pre-Employment Activities are cleared if they wanted to give notice

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by RussianCow »

93po wrote: post #262
vikingerik wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

0 day notice and no severance is unusual, at least for skilled professional jobs in the US. It does happen, but usually only for some unusual circumstance, like some kind of employee misbehavior or a sudden financial calamity for the company. Two weeks notice by the employee or severance by the employer is the most common case on both sides, probably for roughly 80% or so of professional jobs including all of my own.…

i have worked full-time at 6 different companies in engineering and management roles (admittedly none larger than ~300-500 people) and this wasn't the case for anyone at any of them, and have also never heard anecdotes from people in my life in general about this happening to them. i don't not-believe you, but I would be super surprised if the 80% figure is accurate the more common thing i've seen time and again is s…

> I got threatened with a baseless lawsuit for that cheeky stunt and they abused DMCA claims on my consulting website to try to get it taken down

I obviously don't know anything about the company, but it sounds like you dodged a bullet by leaving.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by jrochkind1 »

mcast wrote: post #232
jrochkind1 wrote: post #204

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> Going forward I will absolutely wait until my first day on the new job to give notice to the old one. So... you'll give -1 days notice? "Hey old boss, you may have noticed I didn't come in today..."

I think OP meant they’ll be moonlighting 2 jobs for 2 weeks.

Ah.

I still don't understand how this isn't considered fraud, or people aren't worried about being prosecuted or sued over it. Getting paid to do two "full-time" jobs simultaneously, without them knowing about it. Maybe just confident they won't get caught.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by phpisthebest »

93po wrote: post #214
AlwaysRock wrote: post #203

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Then you give -10 days notice. 2 weeks is a nicety and not legally required in the USA. Probably not required in many other places as well. It's unfortunate but I've never had a manager get too upset about it.

Also jobs often/usually fire people with 0 day notice and no severance. I don't know why it's an expectation that employees would give notice without any reciprocation.

>>Also jobs often/usually fire people with 0 day notice and no severance.

That is not typical nor the norm.

Most companies have established PiP policies, and severance even in the cases of "for cause" terminations (though that is rarer)

"Fire with 0 day notice and no severance" is more likely to be found at startups, and/or small owner led companies with no real policies, or HR Depts.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by RussianCow »

phpisthebest wrote: post #275
yebyen wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How's that supposed to work, when the process dictates that onboarding begins on your start date? If only we could give -10 days notice.

I have never worked for a company that does the background checks, drug screens, etc on your start date, Typical process that I have had both as employee and a manager is 1. Offer Letter 2. Offer Accepted 3. Pre-Employment Activities start. Start Date is set 2 weeks out 4. Pre-Employment Activities Completed 1 Week out 5. New Employee Starts. It would/should not be an issue for an incoming employee to request a start…

I don't think it's that uncommon. I have personally worked at two companies that didn't do the background check until after employment (which I would never do again), and I've heard this anecdote a few times from others.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by jrochkind1 »

dopidopHN wrote: post #240
jrochkind1 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like OP had a signed employment contract. > Thus, the contract with me has been terminated 10 days before it was supposed to take effect. Apparently a contract that allowed no-cause termination. I'm not sure what that contract is good for exactly, but I think this is common in the USA. Whether it's legal in the UK I couldn't say.

All the contract I signed in the US ( 5 or 6 ) were « at will » Basically a 1 pager stating the total lack of contract between you and the company. And your salary.

I think that's typical in the US. Makes me wonder why even bother calling it a "contract".
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