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I worked at Google for -10 days

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by ajcp »

mschuster91 wrote: post #136
ajcp wrote: post #112

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I'm always astonished at the incredibly slow, inefficient, and bureaucratic hiring processes of what are held to be the most capable companies in the world. I imagine it's also incredibly expensive and -from what I've read- doesn't seem cut down on the cases of false positives it's supposedly there to prevent. I wonder why these companies don't try and emulate something like what a military does: take in the willing…

> I wonder why these companies don't try and emulate something like what a military does: take in the willing and motivated, give them all the basic skills valued by the organization, asses their existing capabilities, and then place them where needed after more targeted training. This was how many German giants operated. You got in with 16 as a trainee/apprentice and rose up the ranks. The problem is, employers risk…

heh, funny you should bring that up as I grew up in Germany. I hadn't realized the Berufsschule system has become so discarded. But what you point out would (and does) plague a military as well if it wasn't A) a fully-funded state enterprise and B) traditionally required to be large and self-sustaining enough to have jobs that even the duds would be useful at. Needless to say a Google would not be able to squirrel the duds away so easily.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by ticviking »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #198
fuddle wrote: post #188

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Agreed, not until I have a signed employment contract.

It sounds like OP had a signed employment contract. > Thus, the contract with me has been terminated 10 days before it was supposed to take effect. Apparently a contract that allowed no-cause termination. I'm not sure what that contract is good for exactly, but I think this is common in the USA. Whether it's legal in the UK I couldn't say.

Generally the response is to drop a few hundred on a lawyer to write them a stern letter about bad faith and failure to execute the contract. Your specific legal remedies vary so much country to country that it's hard to generalize, but I have been shocked by how quickly nonsense becomes sense when formal letters requesting negotiation and arbitration enter the scene.

A labor lawyer generally knows what regulatory remedies exist and can send the letter in a way that it gets attention outside of the HR or and Hiring managers desk.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by yunohn »

cleansy wrote: post #62
samwillis wrote: post #36

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What's that from and in what jurisdiction?

It's a general clause that any employee who is moving for a certain job should put into their contracts. If the company does not agree to cover at least the basics, then hey, maybe it's not a good idea to move for that job in the first place? EDIT: to your point, this should be enforceable in any jurisdiction that generally holds up with the law?

Have you ever accomplished this?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by bink »

bbarn wrote: post #106

Advice about what to do after you've already done something else isn't very useful, but when my wife and I moved internationally for her new job, we made sure to have it be a slow process. First she went, rented a short term apartment, while I moved all of our belongings into a storage facility, then once she felt good about the position she found us a nicer more permanent home, then I sold our home in the US, the ca…

I did something similar when I relocated. I made plans with the company to be remote for the first month, though I was coming into the office on odd weeks. They understood I'd be out for a day or two here and there as I tried to find a new residence. That allowed time to find housing and move the family and I didn't have to terminate my lease until I already had a new house lined up.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by [deleted] »

ejb999 wrote: post #161
dheera wrote: post #126

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> there was little economical need for Google to have any layoffs The trouble is, public companies like Google aren't owned by their execs anymore. They've lost control to a bunch of idiots on Wall Street. They optimize for stock price, not employee satisfaction, not customer satisfaction.

>>They optimize for stock price, not employee satisfaction, not customer satisfaction. Are you suggesting that CEO's don't have exactly the same motivations and incentives?

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by bambax »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #7

There’s no great solution to this apart from the economy and company doing well so that this doesnt happen. I’ll lay out the reasons below: 1. Let’s say we pass a law that prevents offers from being revoked. This will make hiring much harder and increase 5 rounds to like 10 and involve many more committees and even then most candidates other than sureshots getting rejected. 2. Ban revoking offers only for overseas em…

3. Any offer revoked before the agreed start date implies mandatory payment of 6 months of salary, automatically, without exception.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by vikingerik »

93po wrote: post #214
AlwaysRock wrote: post #203

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Then you give -10 days notice. 2 weeks is a nicety and not legally required in the USA. Probably not required in many other places as well. It's unfortunate but I've never had a manager get too upset about it.

Also jobs often/usually fire people with 0 day notice and no severance. I don't know why it's an expectation that employees would give notice without any reciprocation.

0 day notice and no severance is unusual, at least for skilled professional jobs in the US. It does happen, but usually only for some unusual circumstance, like some kind of employee misbehavior or a sudden financial calamity for the company. Two weeks notice by the employee or severance by the employer is the most common case on both sides, probably for roughly 80% or so of professional jobs including all of my own. Of course it does suck to be in the outlying 20%, and the anecdotes will trend towards reporting that case, but is the minority. Most actors on both sides behave well, even if there is a substantial minority of problems.

(Edit since some replies seem to have the wrong idea - termination effective immediately without notice is common, but usually there is severance pay except in cases of misconduct or disaster.)

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by bojangleslover »

mattw2121 wrote: post #110
bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

Never put in notice until background checks and all on boarding paperwork is 100% complete. Putting in notice on an offer letter is premature and, unfortunately, leads to bad results.

Honestly if either one is remote, just keep them both for a little while

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by samstave »

mattw2121 wrote: post #110
bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

Never put in notice until background checks and all on boarding paperwork is 100% complete. Putting in notice on an offer letter is premature and, unfortunately, leads to bad results.

YUP!

This happened to me and a good friend of mine who is an Eng Manager at Netflix now...

But we both went through a three month long panel interview and I was told I did "very well" on all my interviews and to expect an offer letter in the morning.

The next day they called and told me that they wouldnt be making me an offer.

The issue was that Brin was still the final sign off...

The school that i went to in the early-mid 90s was "Mesmer Animation Labs" in seattle... one of only five animation schools at the time (because of the cost of all the SGIs)

It was later bought and merged with UW to basically become the animation dept at UW the year after I graduated...

and Mesmer no longer existed... so I put down UW on my resume because there was no Mesmer to confirm that I had gone there any longer...

So because I called Mesmer "UW" I got kicked in the financial balls by Brin/Goog as I had opened my mouth any was told I got an offer to my then employer, Lockheed...

Yeah - never tell anyone about a verbal offer.

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