I worked at Google for -10 days • Hacker News Board

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by ejb999 » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 4:06 PM UTC

dheera wrote: post #126

mschild wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a general level sure maybe, but for this particular case, there was little economical need for Google to have any layoffs. They're swimming in money and are highly profitable. Pulling the rug out underneath a new employee who is days away from starting and moving his whole life to a new country is simply shitty behaviour.

> there was little economical need for Google to have any layoffs The trouble is, public companies like Google aren't owned by their execs anymore. They've lost control to a bunch of idiots on Wall Street. They optimize for stock price, not employee satisfaction, not customer satisfaction.

>>They optimize for stock price, not employee satisfaction, not customer satisfaction.

Are you suggesting that CEO's don't have exactly the same motivations and incentives?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by zie » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 4:07 PM UTC

zinclozenge wrote: post #139

jmye wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I suppose the more common it becomes, the less the "offer" process will mean in practice. Candidates will hedge their bets. My partner was shocked I was still interviewing after accepting an offer - this kind of story is generally why. Sucks for the hiring managers, I guess, but I care more about my mortgage/income/whatever than their time.

I will one up you, I don't put in notice until I'm 1-2 weeks into my new job. Don't really have any justification except for paranoia, which is only getting more validated from other anecdotes in this thread.

So you take vacation from the previous job I assume?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by ResearchCode » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 4:07 PM UTC

bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

What difference does it make if you're at-will. You could be let go on the first day, no reason given.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by ToValueFunfetti » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 4:07 PM UTC

comprev wrote: post #25

kleiba wrote: post #6

I worked at Google for 0 days. There. Fixed that for you.

Not sure why you've been downvoted so much as it's the brutal truth. The author cannot put "worked at Google" on their CV.

-10 < 0, ie. they couldn't put Google on their CV even if their tongue-in-cheek wording was reality.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by 300bps » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 4:07 PM UTC

dgrin91 wrote: post #124

cleansy wrote: post #8

Time to learn about a relocation clause in the general employee agreement: Clause [X]: Relocation Expenses and Redundancy Protection The Company agrees to reimburse the Employee for reasonable and necessary relocation expenses incurred by the Employee in connection with the Employee's relocation to the work location specified in this Agreement, subject to the terms and conditions set forth herein ("Relocation Expense…

A much simpler solution I have seen to this that is _actually_ used in big companies is just relocation bonus paid on start. In short it basically goes 'Company agrees to pay you $X flat for your relocation. You are entitled to do whatever you want with this money, no questions asked. You may keep this money presuming you are not terminated for cause within Y months' X and Y negotiable of course.

All of my “paid on start” bonuses/reimbursements were paid weeks after I started, often with my first paycheck.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by dehrmann » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 4:08 PM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #76

Worked at a startup, hired a guy - we got bought his first week, they closed our office. So on one check he got his hiring bonus, relocation expenses, first paycheck and severance.

It sucks, but at least he got all the payouts. And unlike Google, the office was closed, so it's more understandable.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by yebyen » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 4:09 PM UTC

mattw2121 wrote: post #110

bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

Never put in notice until background checks and all on boarding paperwork is 100% complete. Putting in notice on an offer letter is premature and, unfortunately, leads to bad results.

How's that supposed to work, when the process dictates that onboarding begins on your start date? If only we could give -10 days notice.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by Uvix » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 4:09 PM UTC

no-2-wk-notice wrote: post #23

This is why I suggest not giving two weeks notice when leaving a job for another. Instead send a resignation email the morning you start at the new company. This seems fair and reasonable given that companies are willing to pull offers.

That punishes your old employer, not the one who's in a position to pull the offer.

It's fine, as long as you never want to go back.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by kdmccormick » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 4:09 PM UTC

kevinventullo wrote: post #130

kdmccormick wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I posted this on your other comment, but I'll post it here again. Leaving without 2 weeks notice seems like a good way to incinerate your professional relationship with your outgoing manager/teammates. I guess if you would never use them for a reference anyway, that's fine, but what if you do want to use them as a reference in the future? Or is your experience that your former team didn't actually mind that you just…

Explain to them why you had to do it this way; it’s a consequence of companies rescinding offers at the last second.

Are you speaking from experience?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by twelve40 » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 4:10 PM UTC

zinclozenge wrote: post #139

jmye wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I suppose the more common it becomes, the less the "offer" process will mean in practice. Candidates will hedge their bets. My partner was shocked I was still interviewing after accepting an offer - this kind of story is generally why. Sucks for the hiring managers, I guess, but I care more about my mortgage/income/whatever than their time.

I will one up you, I don't put in notice until I'm 1-2 weeks into my new job. Don't really have any justification except for paranoia, which is only getting more validated from other anecdotes in this thread.

I would be onboard to try something like that, but how is this practically possible? you have to pose for 1-2 weeks like you're working both jobs, and then the 2 more weeks for the notice? how is that possible?