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I worked at Google for -10 days

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by [deleted] »

brk wrote: post #115
cleansy wrote: post #8

Time to learn about a relocation clause in the general employee agreement: Clause [X]: Relocation Expenses and Redundancy Protection The Company agrees to reimburse the Employee for reasonable and necessary relocation expenses incurred by the Employee in connection with the Employee's relocation to the work location specified in this Agreement, subject to the terms and conditions set forth herein ("Relocation Expense…

As other commenters have mentioned, you're not going to be able to insert your own clauses into any standard employment agreement. However, every large employer has already relocated hundreds, if not thousands, of employees. They have similar clauses that are approved, but as a candidate you may need to ask to have such a clause included. Depending on the hiring market, the specific position, and your unique circumst…

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by ssharp »

dheera wrote: post #126
mschild wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a general level sure maybe, but for this particular case, there was little economical need for Google to have any layoffs. They're swimming in money and are highly profitable. Pulling the rug out underneath a new employee who is days away from starting and moving his whole life to a new country is simply shitty behaviour.

> there was little economical need for Google to have any layoffs The trouble is, public companies like Google aren't owned by their execs anymore. They've lost control to a bunch of idiots on Wall Street. They optimize for stock price, not employee satisfaction, not customer satisfaction.

What about Meta? Zuckerberg can't be axed and controls 50+% of the voting shares. They are still doing big layoffs and cuts. They have also always been very aggressive about growth and hiring.

They are positioning it as more of a flattening, which may actually be what's happening but I'm guessing plenty of IC's are still losing their jobs there.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by zinclozenge »

mattw2121 wrote: post #110
bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

Never put in notice until background checks and all on boarding paperwork is 100% complete. Putting in notice on an offer letter is premature and, unfortunately, leads to bad results.

For clarification, by on boarding paperwork do you mean forms i9 and w4?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by yakireev »

kdoxodks wrote: post #122
maxwell wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was at Yandex.

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> Was Bell hiring Soviet nationals in the heyday of UNIX? I doubt it

Could they? Soviet Union did not let its citizens leave easily.

It's different nowadays, and you'll be surprised to learn:

- that Google an likes have more than enough offices outside the U.S.

- that quite a lot of their employees are Russian citizens, Russia has been a talent pool for them for quite a while

- that the war changed very little for their employment

- and that Google did not stop hiring from Russia after the war began

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by dehrmann »

onion2k wrote: post #10

Having an offer rescinded for 'business reasons' is unbelievably annoying, and the author has my sympathy. That said, it's kind of understandable too. Things happen. The landscape changes. Some people will be affected. You kind of have to roll with it sometimes. I wish the author the best of luck finding something else quickly. What I find truly incredible though is that it took a full year to go from application to…

> Things happen. The landscape changes.

During the dot com bubble burst, 2008, or March 2020, sure. Or if something is happening to that specific company.

There wasn't that during this window with Google. This was just sloppy HR. With how they were dragging their feet, I doubt many people were in this position (which is actually an argument for sucking it up and actually hiring him).

That said, it sounded like Google was more cagey than usual, so that should be a red flag. Demand some contractual protections, and if they're denied, wait another 3 months to see how things shake out.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by 300bps »

mattw2121 wrote: post #110
bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

Never put in notice until background checks and all on boarding paperwork is 100% complete. Putting in notice on an offer letter is premature and, unfortunately, leads to bad results.

I’ve had a career lasting over three decades and counting. Have never gone a day without a job in that time.

Part of the reason is because I followed your exact advice. To which I would also add - don’t have a big gap between your last day at your current job and your first day at your next.

Simply walking in the door on your first day increases the amount of paperwork they have to file to get rid of you.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by devnullbrain »

avg_dev wrote: post #121
onion2k wrote: post #10

Having an offer rescinded for 'business reasons' is unbelievably annoying, and the author has my sympathy. That said, it's kind of understandable too. Things happen. The landscape changes. Some people will be affected. You kind of have to roll with it sometimes. I wish the author the best of luck finding something else quickly. What I find truly incredible though is that it took a full year to go from application to…

s/that said/having said that/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5DCns_n9_M

Thus illustrating why the argument in the link doesn't make sense

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

Dave3of5 wrote: post #129
cleansy wrote: post #8

Time to learn about a relocation clause in the general employee agreement: Clause [X]: Relocation Expenses and Redundancy Protection The Company agrees to reimburse the Employee for reasonable and necessary relocation expenses incurred by the Employee in connection with the Employee's relocation to the work location specified in this Agreement, subject to the terms and conditions set forth herein ("Relocation Expense…

Are you suggesting asking Google to add this to their contract ? If that's the case then you are delusional. These companies are "the law" and they will not change their contract for you. It's hard enough to even get a verbal offer from a company like Google far less get them to add relocation costs to a contract.

You'd be surprised by what you can get by simply asking for it.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by mnky9800n »

matrix_overload wrote: post #116
irorodkdj wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That's a very stupid and short-sighted attitude. Russia has effectively been a dictatorship for the past couple of decades, so most regular people have zero control over the policy. Most pretend to just not notice things and hope their lives won't be affected, some tried protesting and ended up jailed, a few prominent idea-driven people got assassinated. So yeah, sure, let's blanket-ban everyone with a Russian passpo…

completely agree with you.

the leader of the political opposition was murdered in front of the kremlin wall by being shot repeatedly by chechnyans hired by the government directly linked to Putin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Boris_Nemtsov

The same is true for the attempts on Navelny, etc. Russia has put literally thousands of people in jail for protesting the war.

And if we really are going to make a big deal out of russia attacking ukraine and how terrible that is and we should ostracize all russian people, then we should all start with the americans first. Because the iraq war was motivated as well as ukraine, caused the deaths of a million iraqis, and americans travel freely and nobody cares that they come from a country responsible for such death and travesty.

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