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I worked at Google for -10 days

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by McSwag »

slymon99 wrote: post #84
cleansy wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a general clause that any employee who is moving for a certain job should put into their contracts. If the company does not agree to cover at least the basics, then hey, maybe it's not a good idea to move for that job in the first place? EDIT: to your point, this should be enforceable in any jurisdiction that generally holds up with the law?

literally no big tech employer is going to allow you to add clauses to your employment contract

Literally they will if tech workers unionize, which has its own baggage and list of disadvantages for everyone but if tech companies get in a bad habit of treating employees poorly that’s exactly what will happen.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

slymon99 wrote: post #84
cleansy wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a general clause that any employee who is moving for a certain job should put into their contracts. If the company does not agree to cover at least the basics, then hey, maybe it's not a good idea to move for that job in the first place? EDIT: to your point, this should be enforceable in any jurisdiction that generally holds up with the law?

literally no big tech employer is going to allow you to add clauses to your employment contract

There's a lesson here: such employers near-exclusively hire cogs who are supposed to fit in place. Many might find it useful to ask about such a clause as a sort of "canary" test.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

irorodkdj wrote: post #90
zippergz wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please get back to me once you've gotten a multinational corporation to agree to this (or any other candidate-provided clause) for a non-executive employee.

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Are we calling those out now, who were ethical and left there home behind? This is a disgusting reply, very well to the anti-japanese craze in america during WW2..

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by freeopinion »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #7

There’s no great solution to this apart from the economy and company doing well so that this doesnt happen. I’ll lay out the reasons below: 1. Let’s say we pass a law that prevents offers from being revoked. This will make hiring much harder and increase 5 rounds to like 10 and involve many more committees and even then most candidates other than sureshots getting rejected. 2. Ban revoking offers only for overseas em…

I'm a big believer in automation. To me, it's kinda the point of being a programmer. But it intrigues me how eager some are to eliminate all human aspects from everything. Hiring, firing, building, shrinking. Let's just automate it all with a recursive algorithm. It's just business. Nothing personal.

I'm a human. I want to be personal.

Yes, there are billions of us and I'm pretty interchangeable. But...

I get interested in silly things like when somebody gets a pay raise because they got married. What kind of business sense does that make? It's debatable. But it makes obvious people sense.

I rather enjoy living in a people world, even while I work every day to automate it.

[Edited for clarity]

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by eftychis »

tibbon wrote: post #3

Probably not, but I wonder if it would be prudent to try to ask for pre-hiring retention agreements. If you make me an offer and I accept, if you retract or downsize between that signature and 90 days after starting - then you pay me some amount? But... few would probably agree to it for non-executive positions. Executives of course, play by different rules and can have all sorts of special things negotiated.

Signing bonus. I think the way a number of contracts are worded you keep it.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by bbarn »

Advice about what to do after you've already done something else isn't very useful, but when my wife and I moved internationally for her new job, we made sure to have it be a slow process. First she went, rented a short term apartment, while I moved all of our belongings into a storage facility, then once she felt good about the position she found us a nicer more permanent home, then I sold our home in the US, the car, and moved to meet her in the other country. Yes, it was more expensive, and we certainly wasted some money, but my feeling was if the company can't compensate us appropriately to take this risk, it's not worth the risk. They helped with moving expenses and apartment selection and the first two month's rent.

If something had gone wrong, or she'd felt like it was a bait and switch, we had months of buffer to fall back on.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by TheRealPomax »

no-2-wk-notice wrote: post #23

This is why I suggest not giving two weeks notice when leaving a job for another. Instead send a resignation email the morning you start at the new company. This seems fair and reasonable given that companies are willing to pull offers.

Why would it be fair and reasonable to the company that didn't pull the offer? Seems pretty bizarre to justify being a jerk to someone yourself because a completely unrelated party is a jerk to you (or, in your scenario, you don't even know whether they'll be a jerk to you, making it even weirder). All you're doing is making it impossible for your own company to start the process of spreading the loss of an FTE, and actively making the lives of your colleagues terrible.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by glitchc »

andgein wrote: post #59
glitchc wrote: post #2

Is your visa still valid? If so, move to London anyways. You've already quit your job and sold your stuff. Chances are if you qualified for Google, you'll find work there. In for a penny, in for a pound, as the Brits say.

Hi! I'm not sure if my visa is valid, and all "immigration consultants" can not answer me directly. My short-term entry visa is attached to my Certificate of Sponsorship, which has been revoked together with the contract. Be default I assume that my visa is revoked too, because I don't want to take that chance.

That's fair.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by mattw2121 »

bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

Never put in notice until background checks and all on boarding paperwork is 100% complete. Putting in notice on an offer letter is premature and, unfortunately, leads to bad results.
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