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Re: Stop Telling Everyone What You Do for a Living

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If anyone's ever asked: - what do you do? - where do you live? - are you married? - have any kids? They're asking about your money and your sex life.

Not at all. Those are valid questions. In some parts of Asia, those are the first questions you'll get, including your salary. You might as well get that out of the way from the start.

> the first questions you'll get, including your salary

How, exactly, is asking what your salary is not asking what your salary is?

Re: Stop Telling Everyone What You Do for a Living

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"I approximate high-dimensional continuous probability distributions, and you?"

(which, BTW, is training neutral networks to predict float numbers)

I always thought it's a great question to ask because if someone is doing something for 8 hours a day, I'd assume (or hope?) that they'll at least enjoy parts of it. Or else they would have switched jobs a long time ago - or so I thought.

Re: Stop Telling Everyone What You Do for a Living

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> bad at giving concise summaries This seems like something you could work on instead of implying it's other people's fault for asking you about a topic that they don't know they aren't interested in yet. If you have a punchy 20 second description, and then ask what they do, you'll have pivoted away unless they want to bring it back.

To be fair, I think the parent commenter is aware this is not the fault of the one who asked. Though when doing a PhD, it's a worthy goal to be able do give a quick description. It also forces you to think about the goal / meaning of your work. Some topics are more easily summarized, but still. We do science for people, it's only fair to be able to present them your work more or less roughly. I had something for peop…

Good technique.

Also (aiming for helpfulness not pedantry),

> "if you peaked their curiosity"

you meant "piqued", a homophone (different word w/ same pronunciation).

Re: Stop Telling Everyone What You Do for a Living

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Around a decade ago, I stopped asking people the basic questions, like what they do, where they're from, how old they are, or their gender and pronouns when that is unclear. I find that it's irrelevant and will bias the relationship for no good reason. I had a good friend with whom I mostly kept in touch over the phone and online for many years, and I didn't know their name until they died and I got a call from their…

How did you manage to have a phone friend without knowing their name? You’re gonna have to tell that story. I absolutely agree btw, people are more than just their job. And most hate, or are disinterested, in their work. I’m interested them _them_, not their occupation. But it’s no secret that many, especially here, make their occupation a fundamental aspect of themselves.

Nickname? There's one guy in my friends group and everyone calls him by his LARP character name. He probably mentioned his real name years ago, but why bother remembering it?

Re: Stop Telling Everyone What You Do for a Living

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post #77

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Around a decade ago, I stopped asking people the basic questions, like what they do, where they're from, how old they are, or their gender and pronouns when that is unclear. I find that it's irrelevant and will bias the relationship for no good reason. I had a good friend with whom I mostly kept in touch over the phone and online for many years, and I didn't know their name until they died and I got a call from their…

Not to sound insensitive, but how is it possible to consider someone a good friend without knowing the person’s name?

One of my good friends and I clicked immediately, but I think we went a week or three before we thought “oh, what’s this guy’s name?” It could even have been my wife asking me, and me not knowing that triggered finding out.

Every class together, bike trails, considerable conversation.

Never came up, neither of us thought to ask. We laugh about it now. We both are better at it now, but it is probably a great example of social inept people finding one another and being just fine.

Re: Stop Telling Everyone What You Do for a Living

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I've talked with endless amount of people, people I know since before and people I don't know since before, and I don't think anyone (unless relevant to the discussion at hand) has asked me how much money I make, or who I'm sleeping with. Maybe it's because I'm not 16 years old, or maybe it's because I don't frequent night clubs in hot metropolitan areas anymore, but that strikes me as very odd that most of the peopl…

People dont ask these things directly ... asking what you do for a living is asking how much money you make. > 16 years old Back then they asked what your parents did for a living

Incredibly bizarre - I literally have zero idea what any of my friends or acquaintances parents did for work when I was a teenager. Parental occupation is simply not a topic of conversation among teenagers. Full stop.

Re: Stop Telling Everyone What You Do for a Living

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How did you manage to have a phone friend without knowing their name? You’re gonna have to tell that story. I absolutely agree btw, people are more than just their job. And most hate, or are disinterested, in their work. I’m interested them _them_, not their occupation. But it’s no secret that many, especially here, make their occupation a fundamental aspect of themselves.

Nickname? There's one guy in my friends group and everyone calls him by his LARP character name. He probably mentioned his real name years ago, but why bother remembering it?

Damn, that should’ve been obvious because of where we are. I even have friends like this — I was thinking about not knowing a name, period.

Re: Stop Telling Everyone What You Do for a Living

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In the UK we do this as part of status negotiation - the second question anyone asks (after whats your name?) is what do you do? Then we can decide whether we are above or below the other person in the status hierarchy, which is roughly as follows: - Architect - Artist/Designer/Creative - Lawyer/Doctor/Teacher - Executive/Manager - ... - ... - Bar staff - Engineer - Software Engineer - Waiter - Driver - Cleaner

How very droll. Why are engineers considered so lowly?

Unfortunately the heroic age of engineering (Brunel, Bazalgette) is behind us. As it grew in complexity, engineering by necessity became corporatized and de-individualised. It was no longer the place for dashing adventurers and gentlemen intellectuals. Instead it has become associated with 'technicianship', the rather boring (but essential) trade of knowing which button to push to make things start working again.

Furthermore, it is one of the last professions to resist gender re-balancing, so social events etc are going to be somewhat barren.

Re: Stop Telling Everyone What You Do for a Living

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Telling people what you do is more than just telling them your job title, it's also a great opportunity to tell them what motivates you about your job, and thus showing some of your values, which is pretty important when meeting new people and allows you to more easily form bonds with those that share similar values.

"So you're an accountant, huh? Tell me, what motivates you? You just like numbers? That's it? Just like working with numbers? Umm... do you have a dog?" "Oh, you're in gambling industry? You build online gambling websites? What makes you passionate about it? What are your values that led you down to this path? Oh, just that the pay is good? Okay man, I can totally see that, yeah..."

I love talking to people and asking about their jobs. But I suppose I’m the rare person that isn’t asking cuz I care about status, but to find out about different worlds or common ones.

If I met an accountant I’d ask them if they saw the Monty Python skit [1] or Accountant humor, or any number of things. I am too curious about everything to skip this question.

1: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JrsB1RfksEA

Re: Stop Telling Everyone What You Do for a Living

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Architects are above engineers? I think this is a highly subjective list.

The list is obvious flamebait, just don't fall for it.

I think you're mistaken. It's perhaps tounge-in-cheek to some extent - but it does hit at some home-truths for a reasonably large segment of the population.
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