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Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Companies usually buy base models. Apple is also struggling with supply chain, as M1 is still prominent. Another feature of this issue is that because of their parsimonious storage configuration and linkage of M2 chip and storage, upgrades are nuts - it costs as much as an iPhone to get a storage upgrade that is like $100 with commodity SSD storage.

$100 with commodity SSD storage. You answered your own question there. Apple doesn't used "commodity" SSD storage. Apple's SSDs are enterprise-grade, not bottom-of-the-barrel commodity parts.

I just bought a higher end M2 SSD part for my kids gaming rig for less than what apple is charging for an upgrade.

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Their EU pricing is just insane

I've avoided M series for this reason, and the more proprietary/locked down design... but also it seems like all we do with these upgrades is encourage more software bloat, especially on the browser side. Environmentally I also dont like the push for minor increments every year across their range of products, and then forced 'obsolete' rating for perfectly working devices. I have a box full already thanks. I hope to…

The "obsolete" designation is only for models that are several years old and it just means that they will no longer get software updates. You are free to keep using them as long as you like.

No one is expecting you to buy a new laptop every year, even if Apple does updates each year. Other people are buying new machines on their own timelines that do not synchronize with you. They are able to get the latest machine available when they are ready to buy.

Cars are updated every year but you don't feel the same pressure to update, do you?

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>can install every UNIX package under the sun with homebrew Even this one? https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/

Does it even use a nvidia chip? Their stuff doesn’t work with my AMD APU and the oppression I feel is oppressive.

It will install just fine on your AMD APU, it just won't do anything until you plug in Nvidia hardware.

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Also people that didn't need to upgrade their machines upgraded anyway cause the M1 jump was so significant. I was supplied a decently-specced late-2019 16-inch i9 MBP for work when I started in mid-2020. Basically about the best Intel MBP that ever got released. Then the M1's came, I got a 14-inch base model M1 Pro (which I calculate to have cost about 1/2 the price work paid for my machine) and it runs circles arou…

> Also people that didn't need to upgrade their machines upgraded anyway cause the M1 jump was so significant. People keep perpetuating this myth, but the only significant jump in performance from x86 was with the Air. With all other models, it was always as Apple does with new models, and what we should have come to expect (yet we always expect more for some reason and there is always disappointment at the performan…

I'm assuming you're looking at some unimpressive cherry-picked numbers but in real world the performance is night and day. It's not mass psychosis -- give someone 2 identical Macs with the only difference being one is Intel and one is Apple silicon, they'll be able to tell the difference. Screen instantly turns on when you open it and gets you a fully functional desktop without you having to sit around while it loads things back into memory, apps start up faster, etc.

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Might be because it’s the “soldering in” that boosts its performance. So if you can plan ahead you come out ahead.

That's true for the memory (RAM), but not the storage (SSD). Socketed SSDs are just as fast and almost as light as soldered, and there is no good technical reason why they shouldn't be upgradable for a long time. I'm in the market for a new Mac. I'm currently using a late 2013 15-inch Retina as my trusty friend. If the M2 Max came with socketed SSD I'd buy it today with the 96GB RAM and max spec in every other regard…

an external usb-c m2 enclosure is amazingly fast and only $20 or so

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> I can get that for less than 1000 EUR Please by all means provide a link. Often when you see these sort of comparisons it's low spec screens, memory + SSDs.

https://geizhals.de/lenovo-ideapad-5-pro-16ach6-storm-grey-8... That's the one I have, or at least similar. It's obviously not the same as a MacBook, but the screen is a 16:10 high-resolution, though not Retina one with good quality. People care about different things, and Full HD screens at ~14-15" is perfectly fine for many people. And you can get that for even cheaper than what I mentioned.

Pretty substantial difference in CPU performance.

MacBook Pro 14: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21032882

AMD Ryzen 7: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21032882

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Weird having an insightful factual beginning of a sentence just to conclude with weak and hugely incomplete speculation ignoring the bulk of the picture (Apple's all other products, what actually needed actually entails, ...).

Apple have been wildly successful in selling Rolls-Royces to the masses. In pretty much all categories they've entered, Apple are considered to be the premium brand. However the masses generally don't need the level of engineering that Apple products typically feature - people have been compelled into forking out for it in order to status match with their peers (e.g. the green/blue text thing). Now times are tight, t…

I mean people do need faster processes, and Apple delivered that.

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ITT: A bunch of nerds who refuse the accept the role of inflation and somehow don't realize that 99% of Apple's customers don't know what an M1 is or what the difference is to an Intel CPU. As if Apple consumers haven't always bought their products even if the new line-up isn't a huge upgrade from the previous year. No, suddenly out of nowhere, everything has changed and consumers have all collectively realized they…

You don't need to know what M1 is, what you need to know is that Apple new product is amazing and fast and everybody that used it would tell everybody else how good it was.

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I think Apple being as big, and making the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs. Even those that technically weren’t needing one/upgrade. Now, that curiosity bubble has saturated with the M2 being an iterative improvement and the customer base certainly not as desperate (intel to M1). Given enough time, I think the Macs will continue to gain market share. Most tech companies…

This makes sense. Amongst my friends, a number of them maxed out an M1 machine not just because of the processor but also because of the improved I/O and new form factor. The M1 machine ticked so many boxes that the purchase decision was not solely pushed by the CPU. The machines are so good it’s hard to justify a new one!

Every iOS programmer needed to make the jump. Coding directly on ARM rather than an x86 emulator of ARM is a huge deal.

In addition, Apple obsoletes Xcode for new phones quite regularly. Once the M1 was out it and working fine it was clear that support for x86 would get killed post haste.

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> I can get that for less than 1000 EUR Please by all means provide a link. Often when you see these sort of comparisons it's low spec screens, memory + SSDs.

Here's one under 1000e: https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/917297/asus-zenbook-14-um... If you spend 1250e you can get oled screens which are nicer then apple https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/904043/asus-zenbook-14-um...

Same issue I mentioned above. Significantly worse CPU:

Apple M2: https://browser.geekbench.com/search?k=v6_cpu&q=5900HX+&utf8...

Ryzen 9500HX: https://browser.geekbench.com/search?k=v6_cpu&q=m2&utf8=

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