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Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by GalenErso »

m3kw9 wrote: post #26
GalenErso wrote: post #5

I know HN hates religion, but after being an atheist all my life, and graduating with a STEM degree (the 'S' part) from a top tier institution, I've started in the last year or so to turn to the church (Roman Catholic) and theism, both to find answers to some of life's mysteries, such as the origin of the Universe, and for personal reasons (I plan to start my initiation, starting with a baptism, within the next year…

And who created that higher level construct

God, as creator of time, is outside of time. Since therefore He has no beginning in time, He has always existed, so doesn't need a cause. I long wrestled with the idea that the Universe could have existed forever, as a way to solve the first cause paradox, but I was never comfortable with the idea. So I've made a leap of faith and applied the same mental framework to an immaterial construct (God), and for the sake of my sanity I don't try to go further than that :-]

I believe there are questions that aren't meant to be answered, and knowing the truth would break our collective minds.

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by criloz2 »

GalenErso wrote: post #5

I know HN hates religion, but after being an atheist all my life, and graduating with a STEM degree (the 'S' part) from a top tier institution, I've started in the last year or so to turn to the church (Roman Catholic) and theism, both to find answers to some of life's mysteries, such as the origin of the Universe, and for personal reasons (I plan to start my initiation, starting with a baptism, within the next year…

The universe, for me, without any doubt, is a simulation, I even believe that the the algorithms that would explain how the universe reached this level of complexity would be the same that explain intelligence, I think that we got all wrong believing that matter come before consciousness when, in reality, it is the other way around. And languages are a big part of all the equation, physics and space are all languages.

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by m3kw9 »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #13
melling wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a little unclear why his theory about the universe being reborn can’t be a possibility. It all just started 13.5 billion years ago? We simply don’t know.

> It’s a little unclear why his theory about the universe being reborn can’t be a possibility. Occam's Razor: what problem with simpler theories does this "possibility" solve?

It satisfies our believe there is nothing else but this universe, but if you think there is more than just our own universe, our universe could have been triggered by something else. It could wobble like that none the less because gravity eventually wins and everything pulls back to the center

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by est31 »

Ralfp wrote: post #6

Nobel disease or Nobelitis is the embracing of strange or scientifically unsound ideas by some Nobel Prize winners, usually later in life. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease

Yes, this suggestion is practically impossible to prove (or disprove), and quite fringe, but the listed examples in that article are usually of things people suggested outside of their field after they got the Nobel prize, and often things that were quite easily disproved at the time of suggestion. Meanwhile Penrose suggested CCC (2006) way before he received the Nobel prize (2020). Also, cosmology is Penrose's research area.

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by webwielder2 »

I've always liked the theory that every black hole has a white hole on the other "side" that spews out a universe from the information it collects. And the original black/white hole? Well, something something quantum fluctuation something out of nothing.

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by Zolomon »

rubicon33 wrote: post #25
m3kw9 wrote: post #22

Then how did the first one came about? What was there before it, pls don’t tell me nothing because it was nothing for a long time and then something must have triggered the first one. Or was there no first one because of infinity?

I think this question can never actually be answered using our concept of language and time. If I tell you A happened before B, you can always ask what happened before A.

I guess an easy idea to escape this is that it's a cycle of events that repeat forever.

For example, imagine the sequence of events `A, B, C`. After `C`, imagine that the cycle repeats with the beginning of `A` again, ad infinitum.

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by pibechorro »

oefnak wrote: post #7
GalenErso wrote: post #5

I know HN hates religion, but after being an atheist all my life, and graduating with a STEM degree (the 'S' part) from a top tier institution, I've started in the last year or so to turn to the church (Roman Catholic) and theism, both to find answers to some of life's mysteries, such as the origin of the Universe, and for personal reasons (I plan to start my initiation, starting with a baptism, within the next year…

Most of the other teachings of the church, however, are.

This. While there are benefits to most religions (community being the biggest) it comes along with insane and very often deadly noise, be it ignorant, purposely wrong or errors in translations or lost information through time, editors, gatekeepers.

The closest path to god is reality, from personal observation ad questions.

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by JoelMcCracken »

mr_mitm wrote: post #19

> What proof does the physicist have for this theory he dubbed “conformal cyclic cosmology” (CCC) that goes against the current Big Bang dogma? It doesn't go against the current "dogma", as the Big Bang theory only covers history up until a fraction of a second after the big bang. Anything before that is basically fair game, even though some ideas are further out there than others. Penrose admits it's a "crazy idea o…

What are you referring to re Linus Paulings?

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by bazoom42 »

GalenErso wrote: post #5

I know HN hates religion, but after being an atheist all my life, and graduating with a STEM degree (the 'S' part) from a top tier institution, I've started in the last year or so to turn to the church (Roman Catholic) and theism, both to find answers to some of life's mysteries, such as the origin of the Universe, and for personal reasons (I plan to start my initiation, starting with a baptism, within the next year…

Does the child abuse bother you?
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