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Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by jjgreen »

melling wrote: post #9
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #2

Nobel Prize winners are not immune to crank thinking, usually outside of their area of speciality. There is Linus Pauling and vitamin C, and Penrose also writing about consciousness having quantum mechanisms.

It’s a little unclear why his theory about the universe being reborn can’t be a possibility. It all just started 13.5 billion years ago? We simply don’t know.

No issue with considering this possibility, but unless it becomes clear that we can possibly squeeze some truth out of it on a human timescale, not really physics.

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by hemantv »

Very similar to Hinduism. Hinduism also describe multi verse, number of species on planet.

A lot of theory in science is around advance Civilization that existed before modern day human (they are usually referred to as Giants). Hinduism talk about how earlier human were larger in height and have been reducing since the beginning.

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by hungryforcodes »

LispSporks22 wrote: post #15
GalenErso wrote: post #5

I know HN hates religion, but after being an atheist all my life, and graduating with a STEM degree (the 'S' part) from a top tier institution, I've started in the last year or so to turn to the church (Roman Catholic) and theism, both to find answers to some of life's mysteries, such as the origin of the Universe, and for personal reasons (I plan to start my initiation, starting with a baptism, within the next year…

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Good point. One of my relatives did that too.

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by rubicon33 »

m3kw9 wrote: post #22

Then how did the first one came about? What was there before it, pls don’t tell me nothing because it was nothing for a long time and then something must have triggered the first one. Or was there no first one because of infinity?

I think this question can never actually be answered using our concept of language and time.

If I tell you A happened before B, you can always ask what happened before A.

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by m3kw9 »

GalenErso wrote: post #5

I know HN hates religion, but after being an atheist all my life, and graduating with a STEM degree (the 'S' part) from a top tier institution, I've started in the last year or so to turn to the church (Roman Catholic) and theism, both to find answers to some of life's mysteries, such as the origin of the Universe, and for personal reasons (I plan to start my initiation, starting with a baptism, within the next year…

And who created that higher level construct

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by jmull »

GalenErso wrote: post #5

I know HN hates religion, but after being an atheist all my life, and graduating with a STEM degree (the 'S' part) from a top tier institution, I've started in the last year or so to turn to the church (Roman Catholic) and theism, both to find answers to some of life's mysteries, such as the origin of the Universe, and for personal reasons (I plan to start my initiation, starting with a baptism, within the next year…

Back when they taught me catholicism, the doctrine on science vs. religion was “truth cannot contradict truth”. They’d still say God created everything, but that science was a good way to understand God’s creation, from a certain perspective. (Things like Genesis were not considered literal.)

So I’m surprised to see the Catholicism presented as an alternative to science.

Maybe they’ve reverted since I was a follower?

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by lokimedes »

Ralfp wrote: post #6

Nobel disease or Nobelitis is the embracing of strange or scientifically unsound ideas by some Nobel Prize winners, usually later in life. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease

To be fair, Penrose has always been an imaginative character, and the cyclic universe idea stems from long before he was awarded the Nobel.

Re: Roger Penrose claims our Universe has been through multiple Big Bangs

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Post by rubicon33 »

umvi wrote: post #17
GalenErso wrote: post #5

I know HN hates religion, but after being an atheist all my life, and graduating with a STEM degree (the 'S' part) from a top tier institution, I've started in the last year or so to turn to the church (Roman Catholic) and theism, both to find answers to some of life's mysteries, such as the origin of the Universe, and for personal reasons (I plan to start my initiation, starting with a baptism, within the next year…

I myself am partial to the Latter-day Saint teaching that matter/energy has always existed (and forever will exist) and that the creation of the world involved "organizing" existing matter in an iterative process. That matches the pattern of creation I've experienced myself where I take something that already exists and iterate on it until it is in a refined state that I desire. I find it hard to believe that the min…

Uh, what man?

That “guide” was natural selection over millions of years.

It’s literally random chance, and if a change is beneficial, it sticks. If we were really “designed” then there are so many failures and inefficiencies that deserve scrutiny.

Chief among them, childhood cancers. Fuck a designer that left that bug in the system and shipped it.

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