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It took me almost 11 years to replace my i7 2600k and I only replaced it because I no longer use a desktop computer. Some M1 users will keep their chip for 10+ years.

Home computer still a slightly overclocked i7-2600 with lots of RAM... Only now starting to encounter too many annoying saturations of the CPU.

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I think Apple being as big, and making the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs. Even those that technically weren’t needing one/upgrade. Now, that curiosity bubble has saturated with the M2 being an iterative improvement and the customer base certainly not as desperate (intel to M1). Given enough time, I think the Macs will continue to gain market share. Most tech companies…

Companies usually buy base models. Apple is also struggling with supply chain, as M1 is still prominent. Another feature of this issue is that because of their parsimonious storage configuration and linkage of M2 chip and storage, upgrades are nuts - it costs as much as an iPhone to get a storage upgrade that is like $100 with commodity SSD storage.

$100 with commodity SSD storage.

You answered your own question there. Apple doesn't used "commodity" SSD storage. Apple's SSDs are enterprise-grade, not bottom-of-the-barrel commodity parts.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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The term "personal computer" predates the IBM PC by a few years, and was generally a synonym with "home computer" (which Apple computers also were.) For instance, the TRS-80 was not an "IBM compatible PC", but was advertised as a personal computer. When these terms were new, they weren't yet technical jargon with subtle meanings. "Personal computer" meant simply a computer intended for personal use.

That might have been the case at one point, and perhaps again, now, but i've see PCs to not include Macs in common usage for decades. Here is one example directly from Intel: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/tech-tips-and-tricks... Mac* vs. PC: Choose What’s Right for You When it comes to the choice between a Mac or PC, selecting a device that offers the features and flexibility you need is what matters most.…

Yes I know, I'm speaking about where the terms came from originally, since you mentioned 'historically.'

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Here's one under 1000e: https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/917297/asus-zenbook-14-um... If you spend 1250e you can get oled screens which are nicer then apple https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/904043/asus-zenbook-14-um...

> 1080p screen Not the same. 1080 would be unbearable compared to a MacBook pro screen at 14” (3024x1964). Edit: the oled one has acceptable resolution. I don’t see any specs on the ssd though so it may be SATA junk. The problem with other manufacturers is that they aggressively skimp in all the places people don’t look. Part of what you get for the Apple tax is some assurance that’s not happening.

Apple is close to double the price though for an arguably worse display compared to the oled one.

So OP is right in that options are present that are cheaper and perhaps better for his use case.

edit: oled laptop comes comes with PM9A1 ssd which has 7GB reads, 5GB writes which is faster then Apple too (apple has 5GB reads, 4GB writes).

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How many people actually need the perf of an M1 or M2-based laptop? I see a lot of excited stuff about running ML models on Apple silicon, but not much about how it benefits ordinary tech users running compile workloads or whatever, and nothing at all about people running standard applications. The hardware is great, I'm just not convinced that the price/performance delivers a big enough market.

It was pointed out to me about a decade ago that is actually the “normies” who need higher-performance computers than seasoned professionals. Folks who know how computers work tend to subliminally optimize it, knowing when go quit apps, how to manage windows, patience with processes that logically take extra time, etc. It’s the neophytes and dilettantes that run all their apps at the same time, have dozens of windows…

I agree, all the anti-virus stuff my father installs on his laptops makes it virtually unusable.

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> That is if you don’t get caught at customs Do you still have to pay if the Mac is out of the box and you have used it?

When I lived in Switzerland, some clever people thought about that, as it used to have lower taxes for electronics. It so happens that there are databases used by the customs agents that can trace back serial numbers to countries and purchase locations. So trying to make up a story on a random control can turn out pretty bad.

Each country has a database that tracks import fee payment history by OEM serial number of laptops and other electronic devices, based on shipments to other countries?

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Here's one under 1000e: https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/917297/asus-zenbook-14-um... If you spend 1250e you can get oled screens which are nicer then apple https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/904043/asus-zenbook-14-um...

> 1080p screen Not the same. 1080 would be unbearable compared to a MacBook pro screen at 14” (3024x1964). Edit: the oled one has acceptable resolution. I don’t see any specs on the ssd though so it may be SATA junk. The problem with other manufacturers is that they aggressively skimp in all the places people don’t look. Part of what you get for the Apple tax is some assurance that’s not happening.

I can switch out the SSD easily on regular notebooks, and in most notebooks I bought I did that as it was easier to match the specs to what I want that way. I cannot do that on a MacBook, so the huge cost for larger RAM and SSD is a big disadvantage.

And we're not talking about a bit of money here, Macbooks with reasonable specs start at around double the cost of a better mainstream PC notebook.

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What is most surprising here is that Apple's share growth is worse than other PC makers. It seemed like Apple was going to continue to gain market share in PCs with Apple Silicon effortlessly. But this didn't happen in Q1. I'm going to speculate why: * People are going back to buying cheaper laptops due to the economy, inflation, and exchange rates. Apple suffers in this environment because they're generally less fle…

> The most frustrating thing about following Apple Silicon over the last 2 years is just how passive Apple's strategy is.

Apple had problems but not much they could do. There were "delays" at TSMC. There was talent loss e.g. with some members moving to Nuvia (now acquired by Qualcomm).

M2 ideally could have been much better but it was out of their hands.

Wouldn't call it passive.

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> I can get that for less than 1000 EUR Please by all means provide a link. Often when you see these sort of comparisons it's low spec screens, memory + SSDs.

Yes, I have no idea why people are comparing apple's excellent hardware to gaming laptops with wobbly hinges and inefficient CPUs that are intended for different purpose altogether. All tech in Europe is costlier. Check Dell 2023 XPS lineup and compare to macbooks - it won't get come out cheaper.

Hmm, my gaming oriented laptop (not what I use it for) does not have wobbly hinges at all, and I find the aluminum on the macs far more susceptible to dings and crap than the hardshell of the PC laptop.

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> M2's performance increases did not knock it out of the park. I can't understand where people got their idea that M2 had to absolutely be an OMG moment. That's literally what Apple has been doing since forever: release a major upgrade, iterate on it for a few years, repeat. > Ideally, we should be on M3 right now. M1 was released in November 2020, less than three years ago . How the hell are we supposed to be on M3…

>M1 was released in November 2020, less than three years ago. How the hell are we supposed to be on M3 now? Marketing. Consider why Chrome and Firefox increase their major version number every release for the smallest change now. When Intel and AMD are both bumping up their version numbers every year or two, Apple sitting on M1 for three years looks out of fashion to the simpler people. This isn't to say Apple (nor I…

Do people really pick Chrome/Firefox instead of Edge because the version number is higher?
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