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Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by sylware »

fsloth wrote: post #6
sylware wrote: post #2

Since apple digital jail is even worse than msft one, even though you have the same steering from blackrock/vanguard share holders... jez... this is actually good news. But all that is linked, the sane way out of this are risc-v based systems with _LEAN_ open source (hence excluding the current "web"). We could even push to "open source" performant risc-v design.

Many choose Apple exactly because of the tight platform integration. There is no one true method of general computing.

The absolute truth about apple and msft: they ARE digital jails.

There is worse though: video game consoles and locked smart phones.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by dogma1138 »

illiarian wrote: post #64
jpeter wrote: post #7

Their EU pricing is just insane

I've always joked that if you want a maxed-out model, it's cheaper to fly to the States, buy there, and fly back than to buy in Europe (especially in Sweden where I am right now)

That is if you don’t get caught at customs… you’ll have to pay at least the VAT on the value of your purchase and possible a duty as well.

So if you want to do it legally you’ll have to add 20-25% to the price which no longer makes it very appealing.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by sumedh »

dogma1138 wrote: post #82
illiarian wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always joked that if you want a maxed-out model, it's cheaper to fly to the States, buy there, and fly back than to buy in Europe (especially in Sweden where I am right now)

That is if you don’t get caught at customs… you’ll have to pay at least the VAT on the value of your purchase and possible a duty as well. So if you want to do it legally you’ll have to add 20-25% to the price which no longer makes it very appealing.

> That is if you don’t get caught at customs

Do you still have to pay if the Mac is out of the box and you have used it?

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by TuringNYC »

Nothing to do with the article, but about the title: "Apple’s 40% Plunge in PC Shipments..."

Historically, I've seen the term "PC" used to refer to Windows machines (not that it made much sense.) Has the term "PC" been generalized to also include Macs now?

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by pjmlp »

TuringNYC wrote: post #84

Nothing to do with the article, but about the title: "Apple’s 40% Plunge in PC Shipments..." Historically, I've seen the term "PC" used to refer to Windows machines (not that it made much sense.) Has the term "PC" been generalized to also include Macs now?

PC started as IBM PC, an alliance between IBM and Microsoft for their respective OSes, of course it made sense.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by davidmurdoch »

_hao wrote: post #23
client4 wrote: post #14

I'd be interested in a Mac once Linux is viable on it. OSX feels outright hostile to power users at this point.

I've used a Mac in my previous job and it was OK experience. The M1's hardware is truly great (I bought one for myself as well, since I didn't have a laptop at the time) and I like the portability. There are a lot of smaller features that I really like, but the overall experience for development is just not there. I use mostly my desktop setup for dev work. I can attach different machines to my monitor or use picture…

I'm switching back to Windows after 5 yrs on Linux. There are many things Linux is not just better at, but so many things windows just can't do (because devs haven't bother to make it work). Do you find that wsl is all you need to run all the dev tooling and software for development, or do you have to spin up a Linux VM?

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

marinhero wrote: post #20
reacharavindh wrote: post #5

I think Apple being as big, and making the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs. Even those that technically weren’t needing one/upgrade. Now, that curiosity bubble has saturated with the M2 being an iterative improvement and the customer base certainly not as desperate (intel to M1). Given enough time, I think the Macs will continue to gain market share. Most tech companies…

This makes sense. Amongst my friends, a number of them maxed out an M1 machine not just because of the processor but also because of the improved I/O and new form factor. The M1 machine ticked so many boxes that the purchase decision was not solely pushed by the CPU. The machines are so good it’s hard to justify a new one!

I’m working with a maxed out M1 MacBook Pro and I can’t imagine it being obsolete any time soon. Apple might not sell me a computer for several years, but I spent far more than I would have otherwise. Assuming all goes well, I’ll probably do the same thing when I do buy again.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by pjmlp »

sumedh wrote: post #83
dogma1138 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is if you don’t get caught at customs… you’ll have to pay at least the VAT on the value of your purchase and possible a duty as well. So if you want to do it legally you’ll have to add 20-25% to the price which no longer makes it very appealing.

> That is if you don’t get caught at customs Do you still have to pay if the Mac is out of the box and you have used it?

When I lived in Switzerland, some clever people thought about that, as it used to have lower taxes for electronics.

It so happens that there are databases used by the customs agents that can trace back serial numbers to countries and purchase locations.

So trying to make up a story on a random control can turn out pretty bad.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by papichulo2023 »

danielrpa wrote: post #36
andyferris wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why a bad idea?

I've been using a Mac M1 for over a year at work because my company likes Mac. I particularly would love to have Windows as an option. I feel that everything is just a little harder and slower in MacOS vs Windows - one very obvious and memorable problem is the massive installation times for OS updates. Overall, as a result of a number of annoyances here and there, I'm less productive with a Mac despite its great hard…

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Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by ericpauley »

adriancr wrote: post #78
threeseed wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can get that for less than 1000 EUR Please by all means provide a link. Often when you see these sort of comparisons it's low spec screens, memory + SSDs.

Here's one under 1000e: https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/917297/asus-zenbook-14-um... If you spend 1250e you can get oled screens which are nicer then apple https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/904043/asus-zenbook-14-um...

> 1080p screen

Not the same. 1080 would be unbearable compared to a MacBook pro screen at 14” (3024x1964).

Edit: the oled one has acceptable resolution. I don’t see any specs on the ssd though so it may be SATA junk. The problem with other manufacturers is that they aggressively skimp in all the places people don’t look. Part of what you get for the Apple tax is some assurance that’s not happening.

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