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Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by Dalewyn »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #18

How many people actually need the perf of an M1 or M2-based laptop? I see a lot of excited stuff about running ML models on Apple silicon, but not much about how it benefits ordinary tech users running compile workloads or whatever, and nothing at all about people running standard applications. The hardware is great, I'm just not convinced that the price/performance delivers a big enough market.

>How many people actually need the perf of an M1 or M2-based laptop?

All of them; the battery life of an M1/2 Macbook should be the minimum bar that all other laptops should strive to meet, let alone beat.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by zippergz »

reacharavindh wrote: post #5

I think Apple being as big, and making the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs. Even those that technically weren’t needing one/upgrade. Now, that curiosity bubble has saturated with the M2 being an iterative improvement and the customer base certainly not as desperate (intel to M1). Given enough time, I think the Macs will continue to gain market share. Most tech companies…

Yup. I bought an M1 to replace an Intel mac that was less than two years old. I certainly don’t have any plans to replace the m1 that quickly. This isn’t a knock against the M2; the Intel to M1 leap was a very unusual situation.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by propogandist »

earthnail wrote: post #49
golergka wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the maxed out 2020 16" Macbook Pro, the last of the Intel ones. I really wanted to buy M1 and M2 one, and I have the means, but the existing one just works too well still for me to justify the expense to myself. Also, when I go and finally buy one, I think I'll just won't need the maxed out version anymore, and will prioritise portability over power, so I'll pay less. Simply because of reports about how powerf…

I’ve traded my 2017 maxed out MBP for an M2 Air. It’s insane. I don’t do video editing but lots of code compiling and the Air handles it without problems. Sure, the Pro would be even faster, so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing out on, but the Air is so crazy fast and the battery life so incredibly long, I have zero regrets on that purchase.

what is the long term viability of the MB Air’s components since it doesn’t have a fan / air circulation to diffuse heat?

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by reaperducer »

reacharavindh wrote: post #5

I think Apple being as big, and making the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs. Even those that technically weren’t needing one/upgrade. Now, that curiosity bubble has saturated with the M2 being an iterative improvement and the customer base certainly not as desperate (intel to M1). Given enough time, I think the Macs will continue to gain market share. Most tech companies…

the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs

Building on this — A good number of people who planned to buy new Macs (myself included) held off on those purchases until the M1 came out.

Call it the "Osborne Bounce" — A bit of tech is announced too early, and the anticipation reduces normal sales volumes until it's available. At that time, there's a huge spike in sales, followed by numbers being depressed because everyone already has the shiny new thing.

Something like the Osborne Effect, except Apple has the cash and product diversity to not go out of business while everyone holds on to their wallets.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by smoldesu »

andyferris wrote: post #13
vachina wrote: post #11

I wanted to adopt MacOS… but I quickly realized how bad an idea it’s going to be… the M1 would probably sit unused in the shelf after the first week.

Why a bad idea?

Just speaking for my own experiences, I have witnessed shops spend ridiculous amounts of time (100+ monthly man hours) porting to MacOS and never using it in production. For a lot of people (particularly those deploying to Linux), debugging for 2 distinct UNIX systems is a waste of time.

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Post by crossroadsguy »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #63
reacharavindh wrote: post #5

I think Apple being as big, and making the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs. Even those that technically weren’t needing one/upgrade. Now, that curiosity bubble has saturated with the M2 being an iterative improvement and the customer base certainly not as desperate (intel to M1). Given enough time, I think the Macs will continue to gain market share. Most tech companies…

I use iPhones for the “cuz it just works” factor, and with those M chips, I am tempted to make the switch from Windows PCs These days laptop PCs are unreliable across most brands I have tried and supplied with crapware and the operating system is hostile and forces stuff like OneDrive on you and begs you not to install Chrome. Last 2 years over 2 devices: Broken screen (not due to external) Touchscreen not working Li…

Their hardware are quiet good and often worth cost.

But their software are barely average and services (iCloud et al) downright pathetic. Definitely much worse than OneDrive which in itself it’s not great. I mean any data I have in iCloud I assume it’s gone — I don’t even consider it a safe copy of mu data. There’s barely any transparency around it (which is actually Apple’s DNA - lack of transparency in general).

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by fabian2k »

threeseed wrote: post #57
fabian2k wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just looked at it, and it certainly is. I mean Apple was always more expensive, but the difference is just huge now. For me 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD is kind of the minimum (I would buy 32GB RAM if I can get it for a fair price). I can get that for less than 1000 EUR as a Windows/Linux notebook with reasonably good quality. For Apple it seems to start at 2300 EUR with these specs, and that is for relatively small screen s…

> I can get that for less than 1000 EUR Please by all means provide a link. Often when you see these sort of comparisons it's low spec screens, memory + SSDs.

https://geizhals.de/lenovo-ideapad-5-pro-16ach6-storm-grey-8...

That's the one I have, or at least similar. It's obviously not the same as a MacBook, but the screen is a 16:10 high-resolution, though not Retina one with good quality.

People care about different things, and Full HD screens at ~14-15" is perfectly fine for many people. And you can get that for even cheaper than what I mentioned.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by TuringNYC »

stametseater wrote: post #93
TuringNYC wrote: post #84

Nothing to do with the article, but about the title: "Apple’s 40% Plunge in PC Shipments..." Historically, I've seen the term "PC" used to refer to Windows machines (not that it made much sense.) Has the term "PC" been generalized to also include Macs now?

The term "personal computer" predates the IBM PC by a few years, and was generally a synonym with "home computer" (which Apple computers also were.) For instance, the TRS-80 was not an "IBM compatible PC", but was advertised as a personal computer. When these terms were new, they weren't yet technical jargon with subtle meanings. "Personal computer" meant simply a computer intended for personal use.

That might have been the case at one point, and perhaps again, now, but i've see PCs to not include Macs in common usage for decades. Here is one example directly from Intel:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/tech-tips-and-tricks...

Mac* vs. PC: Choose What’s Right for You When it comes to the choice between a Mac or PC, selecting a device that offers the features and flexibility you need is what matters most.

Another example: https://woz-u.com/blog/pc-vs-mac-whats-best-for-you/ PC vs Mac: What’s Best for You? By Woz U|August 4th, 2022|Woz U

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by Dalewyn »

illiarian wrote: post #8
senttoschool wrote: post #3

What is most surprising here is that Apple's share growth is worse than other PC makers. It seemed like Apple was going to continue to gain market share in PCs with Apple Silicon effortlessly. But this didn't happen in Q1. I'm going to speculate why: * People are going back to buying cheaper laptops due to the economy, inflation, and exchange rates. Apple suffers in this environment because they're generally less fle…

> M2's performance increases did not knock it out of the park. I can't understand where people got their idea that M2 had to absolutely be an OMG moment. That's literally what Apple has been doing since forever: release a major upgrade, iterate on it for a few years, repeat. > Ideally, we should be on M3 right now. M1 was released in November 2020, less than three years ago . How the hell are we supposed to be on M3…

>M1 was released in November 2020, less than three years ago. How the hell are we supposed to be on M3 now?

Marketing. Consider why Chrome and Firefox increase their major version number every release for the smallest change now.

When Intel and AMD are both bumping up their version numbers every year or two, Apple sitting on M1 for three years looks out of fashion to the simpler people.

This isn't to say Apple (nor Intel and AMD for that matter) should release new CPUs or bump the number up anyway every year, but human psychology is undeniable.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by greydius »

rchaud wrote: post #92
soneil wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's almost entirely Sweden having a high tax rate though. I just priced out an M2 MBA with ram & ssd maxed out. $2499 USD in the US and 33009kr in Sweden. $2499 is 26163kr, +25% VAT is 32705kr. So you're paying 304kr / $29 more than the US price.

There's a sales tax in the US too. 7.25% in CA, on top of the product price.

Protip: Delaware has no sales tax.
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