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Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Australia needs to get its act together and build high speed rail lines. Their geography is actually fantastic for it, its criminal not to have done it 40 years ago.

Why? What problems will this solve?

Much better to spend it on public transport improvements in our cities, and a congestion charge to make cars pay for what they use.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

#112

Australia needs to get its act together and build high speed rail lines. Their geography is actually fantastic for it, its criminal not to have done it 40 years ago.

> Their geography is actually fantastic for it

their demographic sparsity on the other hand, is not fantastic for it.

You want high usage for rail. Unfortunately, there's not really enough people travelling to make it a profitable venture imho. Between sydney and melbourne, it's _just_ barely in the range for a flight, and so a rail will not beat it on convenience.

But there's no destination closer!

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Probably a dumb question, but would mass-batterification leave our society extremely vulnerable to EMP?

Batteries are not in danger from an EMP. Sensitive electronic components are in danger. https://www.agilesurvival.com/emp-effect-batteries/

I don't see anything concrete here, and there's a ridiculously false statement that brushes everything away:

> However, no one does High-altitude detonation experiments anymore. ... Since then, we have all kinds of new batteries, including lithium and rechargeable batteries.

There are MIL specs for this, with test systems that emulate it [1], including some impressive mobile systems, from what I've been told. These tests happen all the time as a requirement for some equipment.

The sensitive component in a battery would be the power management IC/circuit. No sane system will draw power from a battery without an ok from the power management circuitry. But, then you have everything else attached.

1. https://www.elitetest.com/mil-std-461-testing

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

#114

Such crap, battery power is effectively just exporting pollution to Africa, anyone bothered to research the Lithium mines/processing plants? They are horrificly polluting.

Have you bothered to do it?

Africa has almost no lithium mining and as far as I know no lithium refining. There are a bunch of projects in planning stages but few are operating.

Can you please link to these African lithium mines and refinement facilities that are so horrible?

Are you confused between lithium and cobalt perhaps?

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Australia also has a remarkable tax incentive that lets you buy EVs basically tax free (fringe benefits tax exemption for novated leases, in bureaucratese). Basically, instead of paying $70k for a Tesla post-tax, you can get it deducted directly from your paycheck for around $45k pretax. The exact math depends on your income, and perversely enough the subsidy increases the more you earn and the higher your taxes, but…

Do you have a link to this tax incentive? When did it come in?

Here it is from the ATO: https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/Fringe-benefits-tax/Types-of...

It came into effect a few months ago, but was back dated to 1 July 2022.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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Quadruple the energy price in return for replacing coal plants with junk batteries.

Installing a battery in South Australia did not lead to to a quadrupling of national energy prices. The cost of energy globally has shot up since 2020, and Australia's spot prices are based on the global market. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PNRGINDEXM Energy independence in the form of renewables is now more advantageous than ever. Tethering your economy to global price hikes like this is a vulnerable position…

The graph shows the cost of energy globally at worst doubled. So Australia’s increase is double the global average.

Also renewables were supposed to decrease the exposure to such global price fluctuations, or at least act as a backstop for the marginal kWh.

Apparently the backstop is still much higher. And batteries do not generate energy.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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no, its because in a higher tax braket you pay more tax its the sane in britain - if you earn $200,000 income-tax-free means 50% off, but if you earn $20,000. it means like 5% off Also in Uk id you want to buy a e car, you get a grant of a few grand, if you want an e motorbike you get like $300, and if you want an ebike, the most wco friwndly option, you fuck right off

> and if you want an ebike, the most wco friwndly option, you fuck right off The most eco friendly option is still a bike. Not an ebike.

is something not used the most eco friendly option?

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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post #112

Australia needs to get its act together and build high speed rail lines. Their geography is actually fantastic for it, its criminal not to have done it 40 years ago.

> Their geography is actually fantastic for it their demographic sparsity on the other hand, is not fantastic for it. You want high usage for rail. Unfortunately, there's not really enough people travelling to make it a profitable venture imho. Between sydney and melbourne, it's _just_ barely in the range for a flight, and so a rail will not beat it on convenience. But there's no destination closer!

You are apparently being too rational with this answer. You are right. You can't spend 60 billion for something that 500 people a day will use when planes already do it for less.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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> the subsidy increases the more you earn and the higher your taxes What's the name of this law called that does this? Seems like quite the oversight.

> What's the name of this law It's a consequence of progressive tax rates. Last year in the United States, for example, no matter how large your salary was, a single person's income tax rate for the first $10,000 of salary you earned was 10%. The portion of your salary above that $10,000 is taxed at a higher rate, and as you cross salary amount thresholds (called tax brackets) the tax rate keeps getting increasing fo…

In the US, this is accurate for other clean energy incentives, but EVs get a $7500 tax credit rather than a tax deduction so the benefit doesn’t depend on tax rate.

The credit is not available for incomes over $150k (single) or $300k (married filing jointly), but the credit is also non-refundable, which means it can only reduce your tax to zero. If your total tax is < $7500, you don’t get the rest back as a refund. This means that, for example, married couples earning less than ~$95k don’t get the full credit.

Re: Australia is quitting coal in record time thanks to Tesla

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> and if you want an ebike, the most wco friwndly option, you fuck right off The most eco friendly option is still a bike. Not an ebike.

is something not used the most eco friendly option?

What is and isn't used comes down to the person, so it's pretty hard to factor in. Certainly in my city most bikes I see people out and abouton are not electric.
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