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Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by 1101010010 » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:39 PM UTC

paulryanrogers wrote: post #138

1101010010 wrote: post #80

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> People with guns kill more people than people without guns. The irony of this statement is government is historically responsible for the most deaths as they are best armed. When technology like firearms are decentralized and more people have access to them, fewer overall deaths occur and more individual freedom ensues. Same concept for cameras, when they are pointed at police and agents of the state by citizens.

> When technology like firearms are decentralized and more people have access to them, fewer overall deaths occur and more individual freedom ensues What evidence proves this is true?

History and common sense. Name one genocide that happened against an armed civilian population.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by sosborn » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:40 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #103

sosborn wrote: post #99

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Are you equating wearing a hoodie with wearing nothing at all?

Not equating. Drawing a parallel. If wearing too little is illegal in most places, why wouldn't it be possible to wear too much, in theory?

You are essentially at a point where you are saying “if I don’t like your outfit I’m going to legislate it.”

You might be cool with that, but I’m not.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by kyboren » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:45 PM UTC

paganel wrote: post #20

boeingUH60 wrote: post #7

[Clearview AI nods in approval]

At this point anyone who works in the “AI” image recognition space, no matter the company, must be aware that these are some of the consequences of his/her work, there’s no avoiding it.

Anything that makes humans more legible to machines is a threat to human liberty. Biometric surveillance and digital identity initiatives must be resisted or we will inevitably find ourselves hopelessly ensnared by a totalitarian clique. Machines can't be convinced to join the revolution.

Build it and they will come.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by wizofaus » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:47 PM UTC

1101010010 wrote: post #80

sdfghswe wrote: post #36

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> This reminds me of the "guns don't kill people" argument. > Surveillance cameras have everything to do with consolidating power into fewer and fewer hands. Therefore fewer voices of dissent on the levers of power. > Iran is going through a demographic shift. The protests and strikes are evidence of a desire for change. With tools like this even small acts of defiance become higher risk. People with guns kill more p…

> People with guns kill more people than people without guns. The irony of this statement is government is historically responsible for the most deaths as they are best armed. When technology like firearms are decentralized and more people have access to them, fewer overall deaths occur and more individual freedom ensues. Same concept for cameras, when they are pointed at police and agents of the state by citizens.

The US is arguably the only country in the world where a significant % of citizens possess firearms. If US army decided to commit genocide against even some subset of those citizens, do you really think said firearms would help much?

(Edit: more curiously, has there actually been an example of a democractically-elected government committing genocide?)

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by sosborn » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:49 PM UTC

4gotunameagain wrote: post #126

sosborn wrote: post #43

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It's real simple: "Don't take away my choice to wear what I want." For whatever reason, fragile people get real offended by what other people wear.

Do the people which get offended by nazi uniforms are fragile as well ? The topic is much more complicated than "fragility" as you are dismissively trying to portray it. We wear clothes in civilised societies for a reason, and different types of clothes have different types of societal effects. Your freedom ends where the the freedom of the next person's begins.

If I see a person nazi regalia I might feel uncomfortable and I’ll certainly judge them for their choice of clothing, but never would I advocate for making nazi regalia illegal.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by marcosdumay » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 9:06 PM UTC

itissid wrote: post #130

marcosdumay wrote: post #76

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I get impressed every time I see those people that don't see that the most effective thing supporting the current Iran government is the US foreign policy. Really, I can't understand why this worldview comes from.

Would the current Iran government collapse if the US removed all the sanctions and let Iran be? Historically a 180 reversal on sanctions on countries while the regimes were in place has never really been fully tested or known to work.

The current government was elected as soon as GWB started threatening invade Iran. (And followed with a much expected unnoficial coup.)

The previous one (not exactly democratic, but not "let's kill everybody that dresses wrong" either) was created by a lot of popular pressure, replacing another set of religious nutjobs that were put there by the CIA.

Now, answer me, did the sanctions destroy the current government yet? Or maybe they are only there for 15 years and they just need a century or two to make any effect?

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by akomtu » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 9:28 PM UTC

victorcreator wrote: post #32

Meanwhile, feminists in the western world fight to wear a hijab, burkha, abaya, etc. and don’t see them as signs of oppression. I wish i understood the logic. Wish we could all stand up against this together.

Many of such movements were created by people with noble intentions, but over time they have been replaced by selfish actors who use the movement's past reputation as a shell. Today they are wolves in sheep's clothes.

Those hijabs is a clumsy measure to contain the power of sexuality. They recognize its power and the danger of getting it unleashed, but they aren't wise enough to know how to transform it into creativity at the society level, so they just chained it.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by WhereIsTheTruth » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 9:33 PM UTC

I wish they'd share exactly the reason of these cameras

Is it really for spying unveiled women?

Or is it for public safety? considering the recent poisoning of young female students [1] + the killing of scientists by the mossad [2]

The fact that reuters jumps to conclusions makes me believe there is something fishy going in with Iran and its neighbor Israel

Why isn't the press investigating? Maybe that's the question everyone should ask themselves instead of going the easy road, whenever it's too easy, there might be something more complex behind the scenes..

[1] - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64797957

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Iranian_nucle...

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by otikik » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 9:37 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #74

sosborn wrote: post #43

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It's real simple: "Don't take away my choice to wear what I want." For whatever reason, fragile people get real offended by what other people wear.

I don't get offended but I've noticed that when people wear the hood of their hoodies in public transit, I sometimes feel a bit uneasy about not being able to see their faces. So I'm thinking there is a non-religious aspect to the discussion.

I’m a reasonably-big, dark skinned guy.

I tend to elicit the feeling you are mentioning often, without intending to. I have seen old women move away from me while we were waiting to cross the street. I have been stopped by police because “I was acting suspicious” (I was walking to the gym, after work).

It’s not a nice feeling, scaring people just by being around.

Because of this, I never wear the hood of my hoodie. In general I have to wear as unthreatening clothes as I can. And I avoid dark streets, because someone can see me as a threat and fear makes people do irrational things.

We would all benefit from less fear.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by refulgentis » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 9:42 PM UTC

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #148

I wish they'd share exactly the reason of these cameras Is it really for spying unveiled women? Or is it for public safety? considering the recent poisoning of young female students [1] + the killing of scientists by the mossad [2] The fact that reuters jumps to conclusions makes me believe there is something fishy going in with Iran and its neighbor Israel Why isn't the press investigating? Maybe that's the question…

Is this a parody? The press has investigated, thats the Reuters article you're reading.