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Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by simfree »

squarefoot wrote: post #71
ybinator604g3 wrote: post #56

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Is it really a choice when you are talking about religion? I am from Iran. In the school they teach (scare) children that if you don’t wear hijab, you will be hanged from your hair and burned on a stick till eternity in hell after you die. By the way that subject is not elective. You have to pass it. What kind of choice is this? Update (context): I am not talking about the people in west who want to (not)wear hijab.…

Many years ago I had a colleague who was a pretty good engineer from Morocco, also a very nice guy. He left his country and was almost disowned by his own family for being an atheist, a condition which over there I imagine is quite rare and dangerous even nowadays, although we have a good set of examples of discrimination in the west too.

He probably had to leave his country to live a reasonable lifestyle. Some countries like Malaysia will not let you leave Islam if your ethnic Malay, and due to your race you are presumed to be Islamic by law.

It can be very isolating and sometimes dangerous to be the outsider in an area with uniform religious and cultural beliefs.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by mc32 »

sosborn wrote: post #43
victorcreator wrote: post #32

Meanwhile, feminists in the western world fight to wear a hijab, burkha, abaya, etc. and don’t see them as signs of oppression. I wish i understood the logic. Wish we could all stand up against this together.

It's real simple: "Don't take away my choice to wear what I want." For whatever reason, fragile people get real offended by what other people wear.

It’s more complicated because the reason someone may want to wear it is based on indoctrination. If you have a modern sect that indoctrinated its members to serve (labor, etc) the leadership and they do it voluntarily and in addition may balk at not doing it, posing their position as “a choice” is missing the context.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by amelius »

sosborn wrote: post #99
amelius wrote: post #92

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I'm not so sure about that (in the long run). If a naked person entered the bus, wouldn't it be their issue to get dressed? In the end it is about a social contract, the details of which may change with the course of time.

Are you equating wearing a hoodie with wearing nothing at all?

Not equating. Drawing a parallel.

If wearing too little is illegal in most places, why wouldn't it be possible to wear too much, in theory?

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by letrowekwel »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #90
paulryanrogers wrote: post #27

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This reminds me of the "guns don't kill people" argument. Surveillance cameras have everything to do with consolidating power into fewer and fewer hands. Therefore fewer voices of dissent on the levers of power. Iran is going through a demographic shift. The protests and strikes are evidence of a desire for change. With tools like this even small acts of defiance become higher risk.

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It should be still common sense to limit access to guns, so that people who are likely to harm themselves or others can't just go and buy one easily. Works very well in most of Europe.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by simfree »

amelius wrote: post #98
simfree wrote: post #94

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Nudity in public is legal in Seattle so long as your intent is not to offend.

I didn't check but I think there are lots of places where it is not legal.

I see you edited https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35495960 to mention social norms after I commented.

Locality and social norms definitely play into this conversation, here in Seattle at least there is a culture that supports nudism, whether it's the summer solstice bike ride, certain beaches that are popular for swimming in your birthday suit, etc.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by spideymans »

amelius wrote: post #74
sosborn wrote: post #43

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It's real simple: "Don't take away my choice to wear what I want." For whatever reason, fragile people get real offended by what other people wear.

I don't get offended but I've noticed that when people wear the hood of their hoodies in public transit, I sometimes feel a bit uneasy about not being able to see their faces. So I'm thinking there is a non-religious aspect to the discussion.

It’s not their problem that you scare easily.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by letrowekwel »

1101010010 wrote: post #80
sdfghswe wrote: post #36

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> This reminds me of the "guns don't kill people" argument. > Surveillance cameras have everything to do with consolidating power into fewer and fewer hands. Therefore fewer voices of dissent on the levers of power. > Iran is going through a demographic shift. The protests and strikes are evidence of a desire for change. With tools like this even small acts of defiance become higher risk. People with guns kill more p…

> People with guns kill more people than people without guns. The irony of this statement is government is historically responsible for the most deaths as they are best armed. When technology like firearms are decentralized and more people have access to them, fewer overall deaths occur and more individual freedom ensues. Same concept for cameras, when they are pointed at police and agents of the state by citizens.

It all depends very much from social context. In my country stricter gun control has absolutely saved lives, simply because it has effectively prevented random mentally ill people from committing school shootings. It didn't make our government or police forces any more oppressive.

Re: Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women

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Post by booleandilemma »

sosborn wrote: post #81
amelius wrote: post #74

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I don't get offended but I've noticed that when people wear the hood of their hoodies in public transit, I sometimes feel a bit uneasy about not being able to see their faces. So I'm thinking there is a non-religious aspect to the discussion.

I can understand that, but that's not the hoodie wearer's issue to solve.

If I'm wearing a hoodie I take off the hood when I go indoors. It's just basic courtesy, something I've noticed a lot of people nowadays have trouble with.
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