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Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

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Don’t. You’ll pay more for a far worse product. Get the biggest seller from a big brand. Yes it’ll be a smart TV but you don’t need to connect it to the internet. You can use it like a dumb display.

I hear there are models that do nag about connecting, so thoroughly check reviews to see that’s not the case.

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That will introduce a lot of delay - they make synchronous cuts by frame buffering every input.

Then I'm afraid it's not possible. The reason the input switch takes so long is because of the HDID negotiation. A video mixer acts as the source and sink for the output and the inputs respectively, where a HDMI switch will just physically disconnect and connect the output port to a different input port, meaning the HDID negotiation has to be re-done every time.

You just need to strip the hdcp on the source.

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>There's been an urban legend going around for years that smart TV's automatically connect to unsecured wifi but nobody's ever been able to demonstrate it a single time. (Probably their kid had connected it intentionally or something.) Your neighbours' smartTV might take on an AP role for yours. There's no escaping the ads and tracking with these devices.

But again, that's total speculation. You say "there's no escaping" and yet there is. Just don't connect the wi-fi. And done. You've escaped.

To actually be sure, just invest in a dumb TV or monitor.

SmartTV are not something you want to support with your money anyway.

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Suppose economics of scale make it cheaper to produce the smart devices than the specwise-equivalent dumb devices, just like how it's cheaper to produce microcontroller-based electronics today than the "simpler" analog electronics which came before. Then what is the argument for the dumb devices?

That is really not how that works. A smart TV is a dumb TV with an extra processor. No matter how you shake it, the smart features are extra hardware added on to the dumb TV. And besides, smart TVs are already much cheaper, because the manufacturer is spying on you and selling that data in perpetuity. They're injecting ads into your TV menus and keeping that profit. Your smart TV is priced so low because it's subsidi…

In fact "dumb" TVs also need control circuitry for tuning, input selection, on-screen display, picture settings, etc., so isn't it possible that it works out to be cheaper to roll that control circuitry right into a more sophisticated microcontroller, which is probably produced in bigger scale due to its wider applications? And then, why produce a proprietary "dumb" firmware for the TV when you can just throw Linux on it?

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Wow, others have said it but they really missed the point. Most of it is just kind of annoying because they're missing the point, but this sentence really stuck out to me (snipped to only show the important parts, there's a bunch of stuff in the middle that's also annoying): "By connecting to the internet [you get] security and features updates". Did they seriously argue that you need to connect to internet, otherwis…

There are other attack vectors of a TV. For example, most TVs have a usb. Imagine an attack in which an attacker gains physical access to your TV and loads malware onto your TV via USB. Now the infected TV is communicating with a nearby WIFI hotspot to upload the audio recordings from the TV's microphone (that exists for voice commands). I think the TV is malware out-of-the-book if connected to a network connection.…

>Imagine an attack in which an attacker gains physical access to your TV and loads malware onto your TV via USB

My threat model doesn’t include attackers that surreptitiously gain access to my home and execute a physical attack against my devices.

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this is a good example of a preemptive design choice. it's almost always better to optimize for success today, not for success in the future. imo a name like "slab", or even literally "dumb tv" would be much more effective.

Unhooked invoked “unplugged” with me. It is a good analogy for me. They can still put it as the Slab TV product under the Unhooked brand.

I don't know that I'd buy one, but I'd definitely want an answer to the question of "what the hell's an 'Unhooked Slab TV'?"

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If you can really make a 100% unconnected one, not even for firmware upgrades (just let me use that damn USB port), or Smart but with 100% Open Source firmware -drivers included-, and possibly sell it in the EU too, I'm in. I'll soon (2-3 months) have to buy one, and I'll be probably shelling out like 3-4 times the cost of a Smart TV to buy a signage display to connect to my Kodi based system just not to have spyware…

> Smart but open source What for? I'd prefer to connect my own computer instead of having a worse one build in

Many uses where having a low cost computer device on board might come handy, but one couldn't give away privacy and security for that. Adding an external RPi or similar board today could require some non trivial amount of money (board+case+cables+psu) so if that could be done at a smaller price still maintaining openness, why not?

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#910

This article doesn't touch on any of the reasons why I don't want a smart TV. Sure I care about my privacy and security, I do have a smart TV, and I do keep it disconnected from my WiFi. I also have a Roku plugged into it that is likely capturing more information than I would like it to, none of that is why I don't want a smart TV. It comes down to upgradability for me. The display is going to last far longer than th…

> It comes down to upgradability for me. The display is going to last far longer than the smart software running on it.

Exactly.

Same objection applies to appliances, "smart cities", and so forth.

No thank you.

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