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#891

You could just buy an LG TV (which isn’t user hostile and doesn’t show Ads) and not connect it to the internet. I don’t understand the whole point of this. Are you wanting to go back to the days of being unable to watch Netflix without a computer and a HDMI cable, and not being able to play music or look at photos using just your TV? People who request these kinds of products are just making noise and tyre kicking, w…

> Are you wanting to go back to the days of being unable to watch Netflix without a computer and a HDMI cable

Yes! That’s exactly what I want! (Except replace “computer” with “Apple TV”).

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In that case, I would say that color calibration is very easy to accomplish and having the connectors facing down is something I was already planning to do. Our industrial displays are typically mounted 15-20ft in the air, so customers have an easier time accessing them from the side while on their lift. As for outdoor TVs, that's a whole other Pandora's box, but yes, we also make those displays, mainly for digital b…

Your wraparound display is very cool. So my use case for outdoor displays is in the recreational marine market. Screen sizes are typically between 7" and 18" with some very high-end "glass bridge" displays coming in around 24". Retail for a 12" chart plotter is $4000. Typical display brightness is 1200 nits, which is OK, but still hard to see in direct sunlight with sunglasses. Conversely, they also don't get dim eno…

Thank you! I think I know what you're talking about. I live in a gated subdivision where the gate entrance control panel has a similar 15" screen but with terrible brightness and UI. Your display also sounds a lot like an HMI panel but for outdoors. Do you happen to have a product link for this display with an embedded PC? If the market is big enough, I'd be more than willing to explore some sort of joint venture with you.

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#893

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Keep us updated. I'd likely pay 2x what I payed for my LG C2 for a "dumb" version. Even if just to support such a project.

Your LG C2 is a dumb tv - if you dont connect it to the internet. You can even buy a $10 IR remote control on amazon and use that to switch inputs. Or, in my experience, all of my external devices support HDMI CEC and auto switch when i use them.

Furthermore, if you're connecting devices like PC GPUs that don't support CEC, most LG TVs have an RS-232 interface that supports all the basic "dumb TV" commands, including most of what you'd want to do with CEC or IR remote (power on/off, input select, volume, brightness, and other basic audio and video settings).

RS-232 control also has a command to disable OSD, which has the pleasant side effect of disabling annoying smart TV bits like pop-up notifications even when the TV is connected to the Internet (and also superfluous [to me] non-smart TV pop-ups that ordinarily appear when switching inputs and adjusting visually apparent settings like brightness).

Disabling the OSD also disables the bundled Magic Remote, though IR remotes still work (unless locked out with another command) and OSD can be re-enabled via RS-232, or by simply power-cycling the TV.

As a bonus, input switching via IR remote (or RS-232) is noticeably faster than switching via Magic Remote, even if you set up hotkeys, as full-featured LG IR remotes have hard buttons for each input that don't require press-and-hold to activate (this includes sub-$10 service remote knock-offs on Amazon, which work perfectly fine IME, though you may want to steer away from these in a casual setting as some of the service buttons can cause undesirable behavior).

For my own use, I wrote a trivial ASP.NET Web API wrapper around the LG RS-232,

https://github.com/jasminetroll/LgTvControl

While only tested on macOS controlling the TV I own (55SK9000), the documentation it's written against isn't model-specific and I'm not using any platform-specific .NET APIs, so it should work across many TV models and on any platform that supports RS-232 and .NET (.NET 6.0+ as currently configured, though it was mostly developed on .NET Core 3.1, so changing TargetFramework in the csproj file should suffice to get it running on older versions).

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Apple TV has no ads. Many (most?) smart tvs are full of them or tracking software

Why do you think Apple aren't tracking your usage of Apple TV, while assuming other smart devices are? iPhones are still spying on you, even if you tick the box to disable sharing of device analytics[0][1]. [0]: https://gizmodo.com/apple-iphone-analytics-tracking-even-whe... [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JxvH80Rrcw

Because they others have been shown to analyze what’s on the screen etc and to date Apple TV has not.

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#895
I cut the cord 20 years ago, after my last attempt to use Dish. I supposedly got 500 channels, but barely could tolerate watching 3 of them. They didn't offer my local PBS station or local networks, and the ads were so invasive, I couldn't stomach it.

My last TV purchase was a real shitshow ~5 years ago. As many are noticing, the manufacturers don't seem to want to make them. I ended up buying a supposed smart TV, but have never have given it access to the network, and disabled everything I could in it's interface.

I use a combination of Youtube-dl and OSMC to download content I want, without the commercials or ads. Luckily one of my local networks has a substantial youtube channel, so I got local content again, as well as PBS.

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#896

This article misses the point. I desperately want a non-smart TV because I don't want to deal with the absolute mess that is smart TV software. I want to have a TV with a nice panel, a basic OSD that lets me switch inputs and set up color/HDR profiles, and that's it .

My main issue with smart TVs is how long they take to turn on. I just want it to turn on and off in under a second.

Is that really a problem that happens because a TV is "smart" or not? I'm using a LG 4K OLED TV, connected to the internet with a bunch of apps (so smart) and it's ready to be used in like 2-3 seconds after I power it on. Are other TVs really that much worse? I only have experience with LG ones, so I might just be lucky here.

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#897

I've designed and built many such TVs for the commercial/industrial vertical. I am currently working on developing such a TV for the consumer market and launching it under the name DUMBO.TV Let me know your thoughts. Reference pix of 70" industrial display using Samsung LCD panel and in-house LCD controller with physical OSD menu buttons along with IR/RS232 control capability: https://imgur.com/a/k6zrH3s

If you can really make a 100% unconnected one, not even for firmware upgrades (just let me use that damn USB port), or Smart but with 100% Open Source firmware -drivers included-, and possibly sell it in the EU too, I'm in. I'll soon (2-3 months) have to buy one, and I'll be probably shelling out like 3-4 times the cost of a Smart TV to buy a signage display to connect to my Kodi based system just not to have spyware…

> Smart but open source

What for? I'd prefer to connect my own computer instead of having a worse one build in

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#898

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To reduce the number of cables, in theory, though as noted it's not really implemented.

But why would I ever need to connect Ethernet to a display that already has a video cable?

I think the idea was that you, for example, plug your console to the TV with HDMI and it would pass through Ethernet as well.

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#899
This article doesn't touch on any of the reasons why I don't want a smart TV. Sure I care about my privacy and security, I do have a smart TV, and I do keep it disconnected from my WiFi. I also have a Roku plugged into it that is likely capturing more information than I would like it to, none of that is why I don't want a smart TV.

It comes down to upgradability for me. The display is going to last far longer than the smart software running on it. Turning on my TV takes a full minute and a half before it will accept inputs from its remote, I've periodically connected it to the internet to check for updates and in two years there hasn't been a single one.

That's not true for every TV but in general my experience has been the built-in Roku, and other smart TV features are poorer quality than the stand alone sticks and either don't get updates at all or significantly less frequently. Because of the nature of these appliances they aren't as disposable so manufacturers have less incentive to provide those updates and high quality experiences as the stand alone products.

All that smart poor quality software on the TV itself compromises the core functionality of the TV itself which is being a good medium for the display of a user's choice content.

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#900

I've designed and built many such TVs for the commercial/industrial vertical. I am currently working on developing such a TV for the consumer market and launching it under the name DUMBO.TV Let me know your thoughts. Reference pix of 70" industrial display using Samsung LCD panel and in-house LCD controller with physical OSD menu buttons along with IR/RS232 control capability: https://imgur.com/a/k6zrH3s

Do you have some way for us to keep track of this, for when you release?

Personally 70” is a bit too big but I’d definitely be interested in a quality dumb tv.

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