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How our tribute to “The Hacker Way” pissed off a Facebook designer

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Re: How our tribute to “The Hacker Way” pissed off a Facebook designer

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Post by camerondaigle »

As a designer, I am impressed with how graciously Collazo handled the situation, and disappointed that he had to go to such lengths to satisfy Barry.

I'm hoping that the inherent bluntness of Twitter exaggerated Barry's response; the poster being sold was a different layout & typeface, not a "straight ripoff".

I'm not saying Barry doesn't have a case, just that if I were in his shoes I wouldn't have reacted in the same way in the least. He's reinforcing a stereotype of designers that I'm not particularly proud of.

Re: How our tribute to “The Hacker Way” pissed off a Facebook designer

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Post by catshirt »

irondavycole wrote: post #28
catshirt wrote: post #15

i can't even see the problem here if they were selling them for $0 profit. let's assume for a second they sold them for $5 each and that is the actual cost of production. would ben show the same hostility to individuals who spent $5 to make the poster for themselves? that said, i'd think it was a silly response even if they were selling it for profit. do you really want to focus your creative energy defending your au…

Promoting their own event is not without self-interest, even if the poster sales aren't directly profitable. Also, it's not authorship over "red on white" as a concept, it's authorship over this specific combination of type, size, layout, & copy that implies association with Facebook. If they just wanted to maintain the message, and not the association, they wouldn't have kept the visual style. Implying an associatio…

no one, for all intents and purposes, would associate these signs with facebook.

Re: How our tribute to “The Hacker Way” pissed off a Facebook designer

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Post by catshirt »

HectorRamos wrote: post #26
catshirt wrote: post #15

i can't even see the problem here if they were selling them for $0 profit. let's assume for a second they sold them for $5 each and that is the actual cost of production. would ben show the same hostility to individuals who spent $5 to make the poster for themselves? that said, i'd think it was a silly response even if they were selling it for profit. do you really want to focus your creative energy defending your au…

Even at 0 profit, you could say they were stealing profits away from the original author. However, they are not for sale anywhere in their original form. I'd like them to either actually put them up for sale, or encourage others to print them out, but I'd have to respect the original designer's decision not to see his work being duplicated elsewhere.

from where did you extrapolate his "decision not to see his work being duplicated elsewhere"? as far as i was able to tell he simply requested the profits were given to charity- of which there were none.

moreso, and i recognize this is a touchy subject, i'm not sure it's even fair to suggest he conceived these designs.

Re: How our tribute to “The Hacker Way” pissed off a Facebook designer

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Post by j_c »

imajes wrote: post #27

Hey. As the hacker behind the version at http://print.imaj.es/ - I figured I'd share my response here too. Ben's response is understandable - designers and hackers alike are proud of their creations and often are quick and strong-willed in defending their work. However, the project that he's been running internally at FB itself aped the original British Ministry of Information project during wartime - the keep calm a…

Andy Warhol produced numerous versions of his Campbell soup, in doing so he added some value in asking questions, if it was just one can of soup this wouldn't have been the case.

A can of soup doesn't equal a painting of a can of soup.

There are many differences.

Re: How our tribute to “The Hacker Way” pissed off a Facebook designer

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Post by irondavycole »

catshirt wrote: post #32
irondavycole wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Promoting their own event is not without self-interest, even if the poster sales aren't directly profitable. Also, it's not authorship over "red on white" as a concept, it's authorship over this specific combination of type, size, layout, & copy that implies association with Facebook. If they just wanted to maintain the message, and not the association, they wouldn't have kept the visual style. Implying an associatio…

no one, for all intents and purposes, would associate these signs with facebook.

And why wouldn't they? They're explicitly an homage to a photo that hundreds of thousands of people (especially those in the startup scene) saw.

Re: How our tribute to “The Hacker Way” pissed off a Facebook designer

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Post by HectorRamos »

catshirt wrote: post #33
HectorRamos wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even at 0 profit, you could say they were stealing profits away from the original author. However, they are not for sale anywhere in their original form. I'd like them to either actually put them up for sale, or encourage others to print them out, but I'd have to respect the original designer's decision not to see his work being duplicated elsewhere.

from where did you extrapolate his "decision not to see his work being duplicated elsewhere"? as far as i was able to tell he simply requested the profits were given to charity- of which there were none. moreso, and i recognize this is a touchy subject, i'm not sure it's even fair to suggest he conceived these designs.

I based it on his reaction, which as you just said, was to request that any profit be given to charity.

Re: How our tribute to “The Hacker Way” pissed off a Facebook designer

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Post by [deleted] »

jrockway wrote: post #24

The key to successfully using the Internet is to ignore people that type in all caps. Everyone hates everything; no matter what you do, someone is going to claim that it is ruining their life. The key is to ignore them and do what you think is right. Making a sign that you saw in a photograph is not much different from sticking a clever caption on a picture of Homer Simpson. No, you didn't create the sign or the Home…

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Re: How our tribute to “The Hacker Way” pissed off a Facebook designer

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Post by imajes »

camerondaigle wrote: post #31

As a designer, I am impressed with how graciously Collazo handled the situation, and disappointed that he had to go to such lengths to satisfy Barry. I'm hoping that the inherent bluntness of Twitter exaggerated Barry's response; the poster being sold was a different layout & typeface, not a "straight ripoff". I'm not saying Barry doesn't have a case, just that if I were in his shoes I wouldn't have reacted in the sa…

Unfortunately he also replied in a similar fashion on his FB page.

Re: How our tribute to “The Hacker Way” pissed off a Facebook designer

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Post by angersock »

j_c wrote: post #21
pavel_lishin wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. As far as I can tell, the original artist wasn't selling his works, right? And apologies in advance to all the designers reading this, but the posters are a sentence fragment in a standard font. They're not printing off bootleg copies of the Mona Lisa here. I suppose I'm being immoral and disrespectful, myself. Should I send Dos Equis a letter of apology, see if KC Green sells prints of his comics, and tr…

"But the posters are a sentence fragment in a standard font. They're not printing off bootleg copies of the Mona Lisa here." --- A 63-year-old Picasso got out his pen and paper and sketched the woman, who passing by had asked for a quick self-portrait of herself. It took him 30 seconds, once finished, he asked for 500,000 US dollars. 'Why? It didn't even take you a minute!' she replied. 'Madam, that sketch took 63 ye…

That's cool and all, but these folks are hardly Picasso, and the art in question could've been trivially generated by picking a few words at random from a database and adding color.

Don't treat this like a masterpiece.

Re: How our tribute to “The Hacker Way” pissed off a Facebook designer

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Post by angersock »

j_c wrote: post #22
emp_ wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do I think that by your tone and anonymity you are the offended designer?

I'm a designer (and developer, depending on the task). Not the designer.

So, are you a good designer, or one who's work has never been used by others?
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