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Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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Post by jzb »

rubinlinux wrote: post #100
mardifoufs wrote: post #14

I wonder if some distro repos will stop installing mariadb instead of mysql whenever you try to install mysql. Always struck me as a weird thing to do since mysql never stopped development. (MariaDB.org seems to be still active, but there is now much more uncertainty (imo) compared to the mysql project)

> Always struck me as a weird thing to do since mysql never stopped development. What actually happened is more like they changed their name, and sold the old name to Oracle. Oracle then forked and carried on developing a new product under the old name, while the original team carried on developing the old product under the new name (mariadb). That is why distros did what they did.

MySQL sold to Sun in 2008, which was then gobbled up by Oracle in 2009.

MariaDB is the fork, technically speaking. The distro switch took some time, probably in part because they wanted to wait and see if MariaDB would be suitable / sustainable.

Fedora and openSUSE switched to MariaDB in 2013, in part due to Oracle's license changes and changes to info published in CVEs and because they were considered easier to work with. (See: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/201...)

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

#103

Post by KyeRussell »

catiopatio wrote: post #80
mschuster91 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm running into all kinds of paywalls with Glassdoor and I don't want to register, but google searches make it look like pretty much every company under the sun has a Glassdoor review complaining of racism, sexism, etc. For instance this one claims that Apple is homophobic, racist, sexist, and "very Trumpian": The larger the company, the larger that departments will evolve their internal culture... and if team lea…

From your bio: > You call it "alt-left", I proudly call it "Antifa" You’re hardly representing an unbiased viewpoint, and this isn’t a problem Apple has.

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Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

#104

Post by marcellus23 »

KyeRussell wrote: post #103
catiopatio wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your bio: > You call it "alt-left", I proudly call it "Antifa" You’re hardly representing an unbiased viewpoint, and this isn’t a problem Apple has.

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Terms like "white boy culture issues" are a bit below the standard of discourse on this site.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

#105

Post by KyeRussell »

hintymad wrote: post #94
Veen wrote: post #33

This article twice makes accusations of "racism, sexism, and abuse" without backing it up with facts. Is there any more information about it in the public sphere? Or is it just: "These things are bad and MariaDB is bad, so we'll say they did these things". It certainly seems like the company is going down the toilet, but I'd be dubious about the motivations of an anonymous rant on Medium about a publicly traded compa…

> "racism, sexism, and abuse" without backing it up with facts. Yeah, I was turned off by this too. Unfortunately this is the psyche of the western world. You disagree with me? You're racist. You think bias in an ML model comes from bias in data. You're a bigot. Such accusation works and LeCun apologizes.

You coming here to grind your personal axe makes you at least as bad as the author of this article.

Even your concrete example is ridiculous. “ML bias tends to come from biased training data” is…THE widely accepted viewpoint. The whole CONVERSATION around ML bias, from academia to MSM shovelware articles, is framed this way: that ML is not an escape hatch from pre-existing biases.

As someone that definitely considers themselves an SJW (to use the lingo that I bet that you use), and that runs in these circles, the only time I see the viewpoint that you’re arguing against is in the form of strawmen posed by stunted kids on 4chan complaining about “pronouns” or something.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

#107

Post by catiopatio »

KyeRussell wrote: post #103
catiopatio wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your bio: > You call it "alt-left", I proudly call it "Antifa" You’re hardly representing an unbiased viewpoint, and this isn’t a problem Apple has.

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> white boy culture issues

No reply necessary.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

#108

Post by hintymad »

KyeRussell wrote: post #105
hintymad wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "racism, sexism, and abuse" without backing it up with facts. Yeah, I was turned off by this too. Unfortunately this is the psyche of the western world. You disagree with me? You're racist. You think bias in an ML model comes from bias in data. You're a bigot. Such accusation works and LeCun apologizes.

You coming here to grind your personal axe makes you at least as bad as the author of this article. Even your concrete example is ridiculous. “ML bias tends to come from biased training data” is…THE widely accepted viewpoint. The whole CONVERSATION around ML bias, from academia to MSM shovelware articles, is framed this way: that ML is not an escape hatch from pre-existing biases. As someone that definitely considers…

I was paraphrasing the debate between LeCun and Gebru. The point is not whether LeCun's point about bias in data is correct or not. The point is that his view was different from Gebru, and Gebru called him out as a bigot (Anima Anandkumar also chimed in) and he apologized. Another example below. If these are the strawmen 4chan people were criticizing, I'd say 4chan is right on.

""" Another ex-colleague here. I was not going to participate in the discussions but your post made me realize objective truth should come out. I do believe she actually thinks she is making the world a better place but in reality any interaction with her has been incredibly stressful having to carefully weigh every move made in her presence. When this blows over her departure will be a net positive for the morale of the company.

To give a concrete example of what it is like to work with her I will describe something that has not come to light until now. When GPT-3 came out a discussion thread was started in the brain papers group. Timnit was one of the first to respond with some of her thoughts. Almost immediately a very high profile figure has also also responded with his thoughts. He is not Lecun or Dean but he is close. What followed for the rest of the thread was Timnit blasting privileged white men for ignoring the voice of a black woman. Nevermind that it was painfully clear they were writing their responses at the same time. Message after message she would blast both the high profile figure and anyone who so much as implied it could have been a misunderstanding. In the end everyone just bent over backwards apologizing to her and the thread was abandoned along with the whole brain papers group which was relatively active up to that point. She has effectively robbed thousands of colleagues of insights into their seniors thought process just because she didn't immediately get attention.

The thread is still up there so any googler can see it for themselves and verify I am telling the truth.

"""

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

#110

Post by waych »

KyeRussell wrote: post #103
catiopatio wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your bio: > You call it "alt-left", I proudly call it "Antifa" You’re hardly representing an unbiased viewpoint, and this isn’t a problem Apple has.

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What a racist and mysandrist thing to say.
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