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Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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RIP : MySQL of the 90s that made the dynamic web possible.

There were two options then. mSQL where you couldn't join between two tables. And Postgress95 which crashed sometimes as soon as a client connected.

MySQL had been a breath of fresh air.

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This article twice makes accusations of "racism, sexism, and abuse" without backing it up with facts. Is there any more information about it in the public sphere? Or is it just: "These things are bad and MariaDB is bad, so we'll say they did these things". It certainly seems like the company is going down the toilet, but I'd be dubious about the motivations of an anonymous rant on Medium about a publicly traded compa…

The only article referencing those claims that I could find when Googling just now was this very article. Beyond that, there is a Glassdoor page with negative reviews that suggest the same.

> The only article referencing those claims that I could find when Googling just now was this very article. Beyond that, there is a Glassdoor page with negative reviews that suggest the same.

I'm thinking those accusations are probably just slurs by someone with a grudge.

I'm running into all kinds of paywalls with Glassdoor and I don't want to register, but google searches make it look like pretty much every company under the sun has a Glassdoor review complaining of racism, sexism, etc. For instance this one claims that Apple is homophobic, racist, sexist, and "very Trumpian":

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Apple-RVW1...

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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A lot of fear, uncertainty, and doubt here. Of course the banks backing out along with the founder is a bad sign. However, quoting "they may expire worthless" from an SEC filing and citing that as "evidence" is weak; SEC filings are full of what-if scenarios. From where I sit, $4.8 million in cash is plenty of runway for 100 people, even if it is a bit stiff for California. I'm not saying it won't shut down, but some…

> From where I sit, $4.8 million in cash is plenty of runway for 100 people, 4.800.000 / 100 = $48,000 per person. For one year. Not counting all other business expenses like servers. Laptops. Slack. Zoom.

These numbers assume no revenue however.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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This article twice makes accusations of "racism, sexism, and abuse" without backing it up with facts. Is there any more information about it in the public sphere? Or is it just: "These things are bad and MariaDB is bad, so we'll say they did these things". It certainly seems like the company is going down the toilet, but I'd be dubious about the motivations of an anonymous rant on Medium about a publicly traded compa…

Yeah, I was so turned off by this that I did not go much further beyond the first paragraph. I mean, is this a rant or a genuine effort to write a story? Why should I bother to read an article that makes such strong accusations without providing concrete evidence, and is the rest of the article is also written in the same fashion?

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Bit of a nail in the coffin for me as of late. * No async drivers. * Total freezeup bug that only appears when MariaDB is under high load, since mid-2021 (10.6), not yet addressed. * Postgres 15 outperforming MariaDB in both my own SELECT and INSERT benchmarks. Up to double performance for INSERT. * Less and less compatibility with MySQL. Vitess dropping MariaDB. * Postgres has a lighter setup, super fast compile in…

Postgres was the first relational database I came into contact with, Interbase the second and Oracle the third. Lately I've been writing a REST back end on top of MariaDB at work, and I swear it's going to drive me insane with its arbitrary limitations. At least SQLite offers something in return that Postgres can't do.

> At least SQLite offers something in return that Postgres can't do.

If you're going to throw allegations around, at least get your facts straight. MariaDB and MySQL support complex replication topologies out of the box, including multi-master. Yes, it does come in useful if implemented correctly: we built a business application for a particular setup with many branches around the country, many of which have very unreliable network and must be able to continue working with a local database when that network is not available. It has been running for 4-5 years without issues.

They're also much easier to support: for example, upgrades are handled automatically — no need to dump and restore or resort to weird tricks; you can easily upgrade through ten major versions just by installing the latest version and restarting the daemon.

Some other features off the top of my mind: compression (zlib, lz4, lzo, zstd), versioned tables (an absolute life-saver if you need audit).

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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Bit of a nail in the coffin for me as of late. * No async drivers. * Total freezeup bug that only appears when MariaDB is under high load, since mid-2021 (10.6), not yet addressed. * Postgres 15 outperforming MariaDB in both my own SELECT and INSERT benchmarks. Up to double performance for INSERT. * Less and less compatibility with MySQL. Vitess dropping MariaDB. * Postgres has a lighter setup, super fast compile in…

What kind of tooling does MariaDB/MySQL have that you miss when using Postgres? I'm not nearly as knowledgeable about the ecosystem as I am with Postgres.

I'm curious too, but my suspicion is that it's "the devil you know" at play here.

If you work with a tech for long enough you get the tooling "figured out" and things can feel like second nature. Maybe some alternative has equally "good" tooling (for however you define "good") but it may have slightly different quirks, strengths, and weaknesses. The fact that you have to figure that stuff out is itself a negative.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only article referencing those claims that I could find when Googling just now was this very article. Beyond that, there is a Glassdoor page with negative reviews that suggest the same.

> The only article referencing those claims that I could find when Googling just now was this very article. Beyond that, there is a Glassdoor page with negative reviews that suggest the same. I'm thinking those accusations are probably just slurs by someone with a grudge. I'm running into all kinds of paywalls with Glassdoor and I don't want to register, but google searches make it look like pretty much every company…

> I'm running into all kinds of paywalls with Glassdoor and I don't want to register, but google searches make it look like pretty much every company under the sun has a Glassdoor review complaining of racism, sexism, etc. For instance this one claims that Apple is homophobic, racist, sexist, and "very Trumpian":

The larger the company, the larger that departments will evolve their internal culture... and if team leads do not take care to prevent discriminatory bullshit, it will grow roots and fester.

Every so often, I read here or on Reddit the question "why should companies involve themselves into kitchen room talk?"... the answer is simple: failure to do so will reflect very negatively on your company's image and thus its hiring perspectives. When I search for hotels, Amazon products, whatever - I don't go for the good reviews, I go for the bad ones.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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Well, I was wondering: Can one guy really IPO the same product twice? It was quite a clever stunt quitting Oracle, snagging IP on the way out, and just rinse/repeat to another $billion+ but it seemed to good to be true. I guess it was.

(I am a MariaDB user, btw, so... hoping that it doesn't go completely in the toilet.)

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Bit of a nail in the coffin for me as of late. * No async drivers. * Total freezeup bug that only appears when MariaDB is under high load, since mid-2021 (10.6), not yet addressed. * Postgres 15 outperforming MariaDB in both my own SELECT and INSERT benchmarks. Up to double performance for INSERT. * Less and less compatibility with MySQL. Vitess dropping MariaDB. * Postgres has a lighter setup, super fast compile in…

What kind of tooling does MariaDB/MySQL have that you miss when using Postgres? I'm not nearly as knowledgeable about the ecosystem as I am with Postgres.

> What kind of tooling does MariaDB/MySQL have that you miss when using Postgres?

Easy upgrades? With MySQL it has never been more involved than running apt-get dist-upgrade/docker rm mysql && docker run mysql/kubectl deploy, depending on the stack. Downtimes of less than two minutes.

In contrast, PostgreSQL is such a hassle to upgrade that I only do it when forced to by an application dropping support for the current major version.

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