Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.
> Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry.
Is this true? That's yet another reason to avoid buying newer cars.
Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…
Well, that's India, though. Whether it's a private or a public company there's no real notion of privacy of data. If you want it and you have a friend with access, he'll give it to you. Your job is to then not get caught.
> Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. On paper. But there are plenty of examples of companies doing things that they shouldn't be doing.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The important question is: what would the consequences be to a German car manufacturer given similar circumstances?
Probably nothing? Because they're pretty good at cheating the rules so they don't get caught. Occasionally they get caught, but you know how it is: if you find one cockroach in your food, that probably wasn't the only cockroach in the restaurant.
As far as I can tell, German companies are very good at keeping their shenanigans under wraps because they know that being caught has terrible consequences. Occasionally they slip up and then you see what a complex conspiracy they've been operating.
From 7 July 2024 these rules will apply in the EU: For all road vehicles (i.e. cars, vans, trucks and buses): intelligent speed assistance, reversing detection with camera or sensors, attention warning in case of driver drowsiness or distraction, event data recorders as well as an emergency stop signal; https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_... Apparently drowsy drivers account for about 100 000…
I think what the commenter probably meant was that nobody was asking for the solution to the problem to be spy cameras installed inside of vehicles.
Exactly so. It is repugnant that level of access was even available to a employee based on nothing but curiosity. Unfortunately another part of human nature is that most people profiting off you don't give a shit about your privacy. This is why legislation such as HIPAA has to exist.
Do you really thing the people in government care about your privacy? Let's be real. Nobody cares about your (or my) privacy.
If the government gave a shit about privacy in general, Equifax would have been fined into oblivion and its owners jailed for a bit. The example is not evidence that they give a shit, it is presented as something without which our healthcare data would be traded as another commodity.
Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.
Cover the camera with some tape? That's what I do with my laptop camera.
Why not buy laptops that don't have cameras? They exist, and doing that would at least help to add economic incentive for the continued production of them.
These days pretty sure things are much more regulated and locked down for the giants. It would take a conspiracy with multiple employees in the right groups to access that type of data and there'd be a trail that gets detected fast.
You mean like when some eBay execs banded together to harass a user? https://www.npr.org/2022/09/30/1126078948/live-spiders-and-c...
Wow! Never heard about that. The narrative is usually: Some rando, low-level employee went rogue. As soon as BigCorp was made aware of the situation, the rando was terminated and law enforcement was notified. BigCorp conducted an internal audit and found no other data was accessed. Nothing to see here.
Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.
Get a German car. Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. In all walks of life. Companies, schools, doctor‘s offices, etc. Edit: I wouldn’t want to touch a Tesla even if it was gifted to me. Seeing the founder behave the way he does (latest incident: Changing Twitter’s logo to a shitcoins image) makes him extremely unsympathetic to me.
Hey at least Musk doesn't take things too seriously
As the other comment suggests. It`s worse. Just completely unprofessional. Like school children level. Which makes sense considering the CEO. Imagine the same scenario with your security cameras.
You’re familiar with the Anker/Eufy cameras storing all video unencrypted and unprotected in the cloud? Or Amazon sharing all their Ring footage and Alexa recordings with the police? Almost all these devices share their recordings to the cloud and have employees watch/listen to it. Tesla at least asked first if you want to share the clips.
Confirming my point. Thanks.
Did Tesla ask the owners if they wanted their video records meme'd?
I'd love to read that clause in the privacy t and c's.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks
I don’t recall the source, it may have just been anecdotes online that aren’t easily verifiable, but even after Facebook went legit as a company I’m pretty sure access to data (who’s looking at whose profile, stuff like that) was marketed as an employee perk.
Not a perk, if you look at personal info of anyone in your social circle, you are fired, no matter who you are, for what ever reason. If you need to fix a bug, and you need to look at personal info, it is logged and reviewed, go snooping, you are fired. You use your friend as the example for that bug, you are fired. In fact, when I worked there, I was paranoid I'd accidentally look at personal info and get fired, and rigorously used test data.