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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by rurp »

lnsru wrote: post #67

Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

> Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry.

Is this really becoming standard? If so, that really bums me out.

I considered buying a Subaru for my latest car but one of the big negatives was an internal camera pointed at the driver that couldn't be disabled. It was, at least in part, for driver attention monitoring but performed horribly. It would ding contantly, even when I was staring straight ahead.

I have no faith that these video feeds will be kept private and really, really don't want to have to worry that any awkward or embarassing thing I've ever done in a car could be released to the world.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by bhelkey »

jacquesm wrote: post #299
bhelkey wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The important question is: what would the consequences be to a German car manufacturer given similar circumstances?

German regulators are notoriously understaffed, see 'Wirecard'. I would not be surprised if there were no consequences at all until it hit the press or someone in a position of power was embarrassed.

> I would not be surprised if there were no consequences at all until it hit the press or someone in a position of power was embarrassed.

At which point the Data Protection Authorities (GDPR enforcement) would get involved. They would almost certainly levy a hefty fine against the auto manufacturer.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by stametseater »

henriquez wrote: post #319
stametseater wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short of Zuck confessing to the authenticity of those messages, what sort of verification would you even expect? If Business Insider was libeling him, why didn't he sue them for it? The quote is consistent with his behavior and attitudes since then, and with other accounts of his behavior and attitudes at the time. I don't see any reason to believe it's a fake quote. People on HN get upset when the quote is posted be…

I think it’s more disturbing that Zuckerberg named his company Meta in reference to a fictional dystopia where an antagonistic billionaire monopolist who runs a V.R. universe tries to literally control the minds of the world population both on and offline to become more powerful than world governments. Hubris is arrogance before the gods but what do you call the same before the devils? TL;DR: there is factual stuff Z…

> TL;DR: there is factual stuff Zuck does right in the open and is worse than a sketchy internet quote.

All that shit lends credence to the veracity of the quote (which comes from Business Insider, not the amorphous "internet"). A quote which Zuckerberg has never even bothered to deny.

> it could be an urban legend or an internet echo or the reincarnation of tubgirl.

Please.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by sidibe »

lucidrains wrote: post #308
jimt1234 wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't this happen at Google a few years ago? I recall something about a guy that was accessing his ex's Google data, like email, chats, contacts, and so on.

Yikes, didn't know this was an issue at Google as well. That is scary

These days pretty sure things are much more regulated and locked down for the giants. It would take a conspiracy with multiple employees in the right groups to access that type of data and there'd be a trail that gets detected fast.

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Post by eternalban »

SoftTalker wrote: post #255
varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

What you must understand is that this is human nature not "private companies." When I was in high school I had a friend who worked at one of those 1-hr photo processing places. People would bring their film in to have prints made. And there were no small numbers of "intimate" photos on those rolls of film. Yes even in the days of film cameras, people took photos of themselves in sexual situations. Of course my friend…

> What you must understand is that this is human nature

Seems no one is speaking up in the defense of humanity at large. What you describe is possibly even "common" but it is not ingrained in all of "human nature". There are many people who are simply incapable of certain transgressions - for some even the thought doesn't occur. These are possibly rare but they do exist. What you are describing is the fundamental problem of humanity: we are not a smooth and uniform distribution and practically every political thought ultimately boils down to this foundational problem of our collective but morally and ethically disjoint coexistence.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by zaroth »

josefresco wrote: post #321
zaroth wrote: post #301

Seems like a lot of commenters came away from this article thinking that Tesla employees are seeing and sharing images from inside the car? Because that’s not what was reported, and it’s not what happened. But they certainly didn’t go out of their way to make that clear. If the car drives past someone who is naked, the cameras record it, and the driver has opted in to data sharing, then someone on Tesla’s labeling te…

> thinking that Tesla employees are seeing and sharing images from inside the car? It's worse! The cars recorded videos (while off) of private residences, garages etc. The lead quote is "we could see them doing laundry and really intimate things. We could see their kids" If that doesn't cause you concern, I don't know what would.

The car doesn’t have an “on” and “off”. There is no switch. The car specifically has Sentry mode for recording continuously while parked.

There’s a very detailed Data Sharing settings right in the UI where you turn on or off sharing any clips with Tesla, and you have to click Yes for the car to share these clips.

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Post by robocat »

henriquez wrote: post #319
stametseater wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short of Zuck confessing to the authenticity of those messages, what sort of verification would you even expect? If Business Insider was libeling him, why didn't he sue them for it? The quote is consistent with his behavior and attitudes since then, and with other accounts of his behavior and attitudes at the time. I don't see any reason to believe it's a fake quote. People on HN get upset when the quote is posted be…

I think it’s more disturbing that Zuckerberg named his company Meta in reference to a fictional dystopia where an antagonistic billionaire monopolist who runs a V.R. universe tries to literally control the minds of the world population both on and offline to become more powerful than world governments. Hubris is arrogance before the gods but what do you call the same before the devils? TL;DR: there is factual stuff Z…

> named his company Meta in reference to a fictional dystopia

Meta is a normal developer word - like Uber was. I personally never even knew there was a movie called Meta, although it is entirely obvious there should be at least one. Not saying Zuck wasn’t referencing the movie, but I am saying it is reasonably likely that wasn’t the reason.

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Post by brandonagr2 »

peripitea wrote: post #257

This has been the number one thing stopping me from getting a Tesla. I can't believe how little privacy concerns have come up with them. Until I can have fine-grained control of what data gets sent to the mothership, or opt out entirely, I can't see myself buying one.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_au/GUID-2E8E5E0...

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by natch »

lnsru wrote: post #67

Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

It’s not on unless you turn it on. Also: black tape is a thing.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by zaroth »

LightBug1 wrote: post #322
zaroth wrote: post #301

Seems like a lot of commenters came away from this article thinking that Tesla employees are seeing and sharing images from inside the car? Because that’s not what was reported, and it’s not what happened. But they certainly didn’t go out of their way to make that clear. If the car drives past someone who is naked, the cameras record it, and the driver has opted in to data sharing, then someone on Tesla’s labeling te…

As the other comment suggests. It`s worse. Just completely unprofessional. Like school children level. Which makes sense considering the CEO. Imagine the same scenario with your security cameras.

You’re familiar with the Anker/Eufy cameras storing all video unencrypted and unprotected in the cloud?

Or Amazon sharing all their Ring footage and Alexa recordings with the police?

Almost all these devices share their recordings to the cloud and have employees watch/listen to it. Tesla at least asked first if you want to share the clips.

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