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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by ChemSpider »

submeta wrote: post #154
lnsru wrote: post #67

Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

Get a German car. Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. In all walks of life. Companies, schools, doctor‘s offices, etc. Edit: I wouldn’t want to touch a Tesla even if it was gifted to me. Seeing the founder behave the way he does (latest incident: Changing Twitter’s logo to a shitcoins image) makes him extremely unsympathetic to me.

So you would rather buy a car from one of the "Dieselgate" companies?

> Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany.

Yes, to the point nothing can get done anymore and e. g. having an outdated, non-digitalized healthcare system.

Tesla is doing it wrong. But Germany is also doing it wrong - just on the other extreme.

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Post by giantg2 »

travisr wrote: post #103
TylerE wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wouldn’t be wishing that the first time you were in an accident.

It’s sad that we have to choose between physical safety and privacy.

There are some non-EVs that you can get with limited tech (until the newer laws kick in). You can disable the connection in some vehicles. For example, there are guides on how to disable onstar to various degrees (removing the antenna, removing the bridge to the network chip, etc). EVs tend to be tech heavy because the costs associates with them require targeting the premium market to make a profit.

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Post by voakbasda »

the_snooze wrote: post #213
m463 wrote: post #156

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> It really kills any enthusiasm I have for new cars. ... and televisions, and phone apps, and solar inverters (with wifi!) and air purifiers (with wifi!) and drones (with wifi to activate) and scooters (to activate), and on and on...

Consumer tech takes a lot of cues from domestic abusers. “I want to know everything about you and who you talk to.” “I will do what I want to you with little notice or recourse.” “You can’t leave me that easily.”

I would assert that consumer tech manufacturers are domestic abusers when they take things to this level.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by daniel_reetz »

the_snooze wrote: post #213
m463 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It really kills any enthusiasm I have for new cars. ... and televisions, and phone apps, and solar inverters (with wifi!) and air purifiers (with wifi!) and drones (with wifi to activate) and scooters (to activate), and on and on...

Consumer tech takes a lot of cues from domestic abusers. “I want to know everything about you and who you talk to.” “I will do what I want to you with little notice or recourse.” “You can’t leave me that easily.”

Also making the victim believe they are at fault for the abusive behavior.

I can't count the number of times I've heard naive users blame themselves when it's a device/system/app misaligned with their interests.

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Post by SoftTalker »

varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

What you must understand is that this is human nature not "private companies."

When I was in high school I had a friend who worked at one of those 1-hr photo processing places. People would bring their film in to have prints made. And there were no small numbers of "intimate" photos on those rolls of film. Yes even in the days of film cameras, people took photos of themselves in sexual situations.

Of course my friend thought it was hilarious and the shop would make extra prints of these photos to pass around among the staff. They had separate categories similar to what you'd see on any porn site. Of course it was in violation of policy but people do this stuff. If you're building something that handles photo/video images you must expect it and build in privacy from the ground up. You cannot rely on your staff to always be on their best behavior.

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Post by ackfoobar »

throwaway4837 wrote: post #247
hgsgm wrote: post #238

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Point of information: Doge was a meme before the coin. Dogecoin exists because it was created as a meme coin. Given that point, doge is an avatar of stupidity personified (caninified?) and so is a good fit for Twitter.

The coin was created as a joke. However, Dogecoin doesn't have any characteristics of a fake cryptocurrency. The technology is just as sound as Bitcoin's, as it's basically a fork of a fork of a fork with no crazy major changes. Logically, from a technical perspective, you can't think Dogecoin is a joke without also thinking Bitcoin is a joke, unless you disagree with the way Dogecoin changed the block parameters. Ba…

> Logically, from a technical perspective, you can't think Dogecoin is a joke without also thinking Bitcoin is a joke

From a game theory perspective, "being first" is a Schelling point. That makes a huge difference between Dogecoin and Bitcoin.

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Post by peripitea »

This has been the number one thing stopping me from getting a Tesla. I can't believe how little privacy concerns have come up with them. Until I can have fine-grained control of what data gets sent to the mothership, or opt out entirely, I can't see myself buying one.

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Post by jimt1234 »

lucidrains wrote: post #237

When I was working at Uber, we had a case of a guy stalking his ex-girlfriend's every movement through the backend. They eventually found out, fired him, and stepped up auditing.

Didn't this happen at Google a few years ago? I recall something about a guy that was accessing his ex's Google data, like email, chats, contacts, and so on.

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Post by Phlarp »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #210
Phlarp wrote: post #151

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So much worse than that, because they go online and simp for the company after doing it

"Stop making fun of my favorite billion dollar company. I just gave them 80k of my hard earned cash, therefore it must be good, and you should also buy it."

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