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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by avg_dev »

varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

I believe that your assessment of startups is valid. I also think your views are true of big, multinationals as well. It seems that by the time a company gets large enough, consumers start receiving some protections, but workers, not so much.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Controversies

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Motor_Manufacturing_Al...

etc.

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Post by brandonagr2 »

stametseater wrote: post #281
ChemSpider wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you would rather buy a car from one of the "Dieselgate" companies? > Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. Yes, to the point nothing can get done anymore and e. g. having an outdated, non-digitalized healthcare system. Tesla is doing it wrong. But Germany is also doing it wrong - just on the other extreme.

> one of the "Dieselgate" companies? There was only one "Dieselgate company", Volkswagen Group. BMW and Mercedes-Benz had nothing to do with it. And yes, I would rather buy a car that cheats on emissions tests than a car which spies on me. That's an easy choice (or would be, if I had any real confidence that VW cars truly don't spy on their users too. Which I don't.)

While Dieselgate refers to VW specifically, there are a lot of companies that have been caught cheating on emissions tests, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

zaroth wrote: post #280
peripitea wrote: post #257

This has been the number one thing stopping me from getting a Tesla. I can't believe how little privacy concerns have come up with them. Until I can have fine-grained control of what data gets sent to the mothership, or opt out entirely, I can't see myself buying one.

You know you can just touch a toggle on the UI to turn on/off data sharing? You can opt-out entirely too, but you won’t get software updates.

Yeah, you can definitely trust Tesla to keep their word and safeguard your data. I mean, otherwise there would be stories of employees passing around video footage stolen from customer’s cars, right?

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Post by stpe »

submeta wrote: post #154
lnsru wrote: post #67

Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

Get a German car. Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. In all walks of life. Companies, schools, doctor‘s offices, etc. Edit: I wouldn’t want to touch a Tesla even if it was gifted to me. Seeing the founder behave the way he does (latest incident: Changing Twitter’s logo to a shitcoins image) makes him extremely unsympathetic to me.

Except you had to register in an app every place you went to, during covid. Nice social profiling that data could provide… say, if another type of party ended up as the ruling one.

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Post by speedgoose »

jimt1234 wrote: post #258
lucidrains wrote: post #237

When I was working at Uber, we had a case of a guy stalking his ex-girlfriend's every movement through the backend. They eventually found out, fired him, and stepped up auditing.

Didn't this happen at Google a few years ago? I recall something about a guy that was accessing his ex's Google data, like email, chats, contacts, and so on.

I remember hearing that the Gmail team could use a real random gmail account during testing.

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Post by aeyes »

rootusrootus wrote: post #185
HWR_14 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. Just like Amazon, Facebook, Uber, NSA and other employees have done so as well. The only reason Apple or Google employees might not do that is encryption and decent access controls, not because they are better people. It would not shock me in the least if a Google or Apple employee did something similar. It might shock me a little just because of the risk/reward if they were just snooping on random people…

Apple would be the most shocking, given their ingrained company culture of secrecy and compartmentalization.

> Apple has paid a multi-million dollar settlement to a woman whose photos and videos were shared online by technicians repairing her iPhone.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57399627

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Post by arbitrage »

ctvo wrote: post #78
liminalsunset wrote: post #41

While some of the behaviour here is less professional than I'd expect for user data, I'm wondering what a good architecture for building a system to leverage visual telemetry without harming user privacy would really look like. The problem is that: 1) It's very difficult to manually or automatically scrub identifying information from video, and doing so probably greatly reduces the value of the data for AI training p…

> While some of the behaviour here is less professional than I'd expect for user data It's like showing up to a school shooting and saying while some of the behavior here is less professional than I'd expect for an interaction with children... They. Are. Sharing. Your. Intimate. Photos. Using. Them. As. Background. For. Their. Memes.

You. Took. Intimate. Photos. In. A. Car. Made. By. A. Company. With. A. Horrible. Track. Record. Of. Security. And. Actually. Acting. Like. A. Professional. Company. What. Did. You. Really. Expect. Would. Happen.

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Post by peterfarkas »

raldi wrote: post #276
varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

My awakening was the multiple times I've been talking with a startup and said, "I was surprised there's no self-guided demo or video tour available on your website; can you show me how the product works?" and had them reply something like, "Oh, sure. The reason we don't have a demo yet is that we haven't gotten around to making fake data, but let me pull up one of our customers' accounts and give you a tour using the…

Happened to me as well, with a HR-related tool, no less. I did not subscribe!

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Post by henriquez »

stametseater wrote: post #307
henriquez wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Zuckerberg is a sociopath but this chat log often gets dredged up and it’s never been verified. It could be real but it could be an urban legend or an internet echo or the reincarnation of tubgirl.

Short of Zuck confessing to the authenticity of those messages, what sort of verification would you even expect? If Business Insider was libeling him, why didn't he sue them for it? The quote is consistent with his behavior and attitudes since then, and with other accounts of his behavior and attitudes at the time. I don't see any reason to believe it's a fake quote. People on HN get upset when the quote is posted be…

I think it’s more disturbing that Zuckerberg named his company Meta in reference to a fictional dystopia where an antagonistic billionaire monopolist who runs a V.R. universe tries to literally control the minds of the world population both on and offline to become more powerful than world governments. Hubris is arrogance before the gods but what do you call the same before the devils?

TL;DR: there is factual stuff Zuck does right in the open and is worse than a sketchy internet quote.

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Post by brandonagr2 »

nix0n wrote: post #114
lnsru wrote: post #67

Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

> Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry What?

Likely attempting to refer to a camera that can see depth like an Xbox Kinect sensor, but no car I know of has such tech. Some manufacturers like GM use IR cameras looking at the driver because they can see through sunglasses

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azure-depth-platform/time-of-...

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