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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by zaroth »

Seems like a lot of commenters came away from this article thinking that Tesla employees are seeing and sharing images from inside the car?

Because that’s not what was reported, and it’s not what happened. But they certainly didn’t go out of their way to make that clear.

If the car drives past someone who is naked, the cameras record it, and the driver has opted in to data sharing, then someone on Tesla’s labeling team might see it.

I think it’s bad the videos were being pulled out of the controlled labeling system / screen-shotted and shared.

This is video that drivers opt-in to sharing with a very clear description of what is being sent back to Tesla in the UI. It obviously doesn’t say they’ll make memes out of it, but it’s no surprise at all Tesla has snippets of the external camera video feeds that are being labeled by humans.

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Post by zaroth »

wnevets wrote: post #38

This is absolutely disgusting to hear. Can you imagine if Apple or Google employees were caught doing something like this with photos/videos taken with their products?

Have you heard of Ring? Alexa? There are countless stories of the data from these devices being harvested by Amazon, and even sent to law enforcement to use against their owners.

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Post by rurp »

SoftTalker wrote: post #255
varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

What you must understand is that this is human nature not "private companies." When I was in high school I had a friend who worked at one of those 1-hr photo processing places. People would bring their film in to have prints made. And there were no small numbers of "intimate" photos on those rolls of film. Yes even in the days of film cameras, people took photos of themselves in sexual situations. Of course my friend…

> If you're building something that handles photo/video images you must expect it and build in privacy from the ground up.

I agree with this as part of a bigger solution. There should also be privacy regulations with serious consequences for negligence or abuse. If private customer data were a liability due to the risk of huge fines from misbehaving employees, companies would collect a heck of a lot less of it.

Right now data collection is almost all upside for the company; there are many ways to use or sell it to make more money. But users bear the costs, many of whom don't realize just how much they are being spied on.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

wittenbunk wrote: post #155
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The other comment was pointing out that ToF has nothing to do with drowsiness/alcohol detection.

Let me go ahead and be first to tell you that there is the stated reason, the real one, and the “well, now that we have it” downstream.

Cameras AND ToF for the driver are coming. Only idiots will want it.

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Post by speedgoose »

submeta wrote: post #154
lnsru wrote: post #67

Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

Get a German car. Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. In all walks of life. Companies, schools, doctor‘s offices, etc. Edit: I wouldn’t want to touch a Tesla even if it was gifted to me. Seeing the founder behave the way he does (latest incident: Changing Twitter’s logo to a shitcoins image) makes him extremely unsympathetic to me.

I wouldn’t bet on the software security of the German cars nor their mobile apps.

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Post by Karsteski »

zaroth wrote: post #280
peripitea wrote: post #257

This has been the number one thing stopping me from getting a Tesla. I can't believe how little privacy concerns have come up with them. Until I can have fine-grained control of what data gets sent to the mothership, or opt out entirely, I can't see myself buying one.

You know you can just touch a toggle on the UI to turn on/off data sharing? You can opt-out entirely too, but you won’t get software updates.

Is there a way to verify that all data sharing is turned off?

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Post by stametseater »

henriquez wrote: post #296
PakG1 wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks

I think Zuckerberg is a sociopath but this chat log often gets dredged up and it’s never been verified. It could be real but it could be an urban legend or an internet echo or the reincarnation of tubgirl.

Short of Zuck confessing to the authenticity of those messages, what sort of verification would you even expect? If Business Insider was libeling him, why didn't he sue them for it?

The quote is consistent with his behavior and attitudes since then, and with other accounts of his behavior and attitudes at the time. I don't see any reason to believe it's a fake quote. People on HN get upset when the quote is posted because it's posted so frequently, and the reason it's posted so frequently is because it continues to be relevant to and consistent with Zuckerberg's behavior and attitudes to this day.

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Post by lucidrains »

jimt1234 wrote: post #258
lucidrains wrote: post #237

When I was working at Uber, we had a case of a guy stalking his ex-girlfriend's every movement through the backend. They eventually found out, fired him, and stepped up auditing.

Didn't this happen at Google a few years ago? I recall something about a guy that was accessing his ex's Google data, like email, chats, contacts, and so on.

Yikes, didn't know this was an issue at Google as well. That is scary

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

stametseater wrote: post #295
a4isms wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once had a classified ad software hustle, and I needed customer data to debug things. But one of my customers was Canada's largest gay newspaper, and ts classifieds were highly sensitive. So I wrote a routine that obfuscated the database, changing all phone numbers to 555-xxxx, changing all names to random names of fruit (So a customer might become Banana Grapes, 416-555-1234), and a few other changes to hide other…

Aren't newspaper classified ads written specifically to be publicly disseminated?

Someone might give out their phone number and a fake name, but the back end the software might need to know their real name and address for billing purposes.
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