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Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Postgres was the first relational database I came into contact with, Interbase the second and Oracle the third. Lately I've been writing a REST back end on top of MariaDB at work, and I swear it's going to drive me insane with its arbitrary limitations. At least SQLite offers something in return that Postgres can't do.

> At least SQLite offers something in return that Postgres can't do. If you're going to throw allegations around, at least get your facts straight. MariaDB and MySQL support complex replication topologies out of the box, including multi-master. Yes, it does come in useful if implemented correctly: we built a business application for a particular setup with many branches around the country, many of which have very unr…

> we built a business application for a particular setup with many branches around the country, many of which have very unreliable network and must be able to continue working with a local database when that network is not available. It has been running for 4-5 years without issues.

How do you deal with reconciling after a connection loss? Is your client application read-only / the data sharded in a way that it doesn't matter for other branches if one branch is offline?

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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post #61

RIP : MySQL of the 90s that made the dynamic web possible. There were two options then. mSQL where you couldn't join between two tables. And Postgress95 which crashed sometimes as soon as a client connected. MySQL had been a breath of fresh air.

Indeed - MySQL was fast, freely available, lightweight, and “good enough” (and continually getting better) in an era when the commercial competitors were ultraheavy, evil or broken (and often all three). Pour one out for a real one.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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As unwelcome as I find it, I guess this will cause people to switch to Oracle MySQL is they need full $$$$ support for their databases.

Could Percona be a white knight for MariaDB (the project, not the company)? Ownership by Oracle is an immediate deal-breaker for me.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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post #36

Bit of a nail in the coffin for me as of late. * No async drivers. * Total freezeup bug that only appears when MariaDB is under high load, since mid-2021 (10.6), not yet addressed. * Postgres 15 outperforming MariaDB in both my own SELECT and INSERT benchmarks. Up to double performance for INSERT. * Less and less compatibility with MySQL. Vitess dropping MariaDB. * Postgres has a lighter setup, super fast compile in…

What kind of tooling does MariaDB/MySQL have that you miss when using Postgres? I'm not nearly as knowledgeable about the ecosystem as I am with Postgres.

Not tooling, but the big one for me is the ability to reorder columns via ALTER statements.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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I wonder if some distro repos will stop installing mariadb instead of mysql whenever you try to install mysql. Always struck me as a weird thing to do since mysql never stopped development. (MariaDB.org seems to be still active, but there is now much more uncertainty (imo) compared to the mysql project)

> Always struck me as a weird thing to do since mysql never stopped development.

It makes sense if the distribution no longer includes mysql, and the mysql the distribution included previously was from before the fork: users who already had mysql installed would be automatically migrated to a compatible replacement. It's the same thing which happened with openoffice and libreoffice.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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I have plans to migrate all our MariaDB RDS instances to MySQL. AWS is heavily investing in MySQL (Aurora, even Serverless) while for MariaDB there is hardly any news.

I'm sad, every time I do benchmarks for specific use cases, MariaDB turns out to have better performance but we do need to think about sustainability.

Sooner or later, we will say good bye to it.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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post #12

This is the second time that Monty left a company that he had no control over even though it was his software "baby" that the company was selling. At least the first time he made some good money. But I'm not sure if that is the case this time. Third time's the charm? Monty you should retain control over the companies that you want to sell your product under. If you don't control over 50% then it's not "your company"…

> If you don't control over 50%

Founders will virtually always lose control once they hop on the investor conveyor belt. It can happen as soon as Round A e.g. VC wants 25% with 10% option pool and seed investors owns 15% (say due to carry along provisions) - et voila - founder diluted to 50%! It often is inevitable as soon as a founder takes seed money because (a) if you must take seed you probably need future cash for competitive growth, and (b) seed investors define expectation of future VC rounds (e.g. YC demo day). The well known exceptions where founders retained control are outliers.

Furthermore, founders are third class because investors get first class preferential shares. Preferential shares have a variety of powerful benefits over common shares - including rights to oust the founders (under conditions that will usually occur: VCs take advantage of the natural optimism of founders).

Even worse: the game is systematically rigged against founders, because VCs are “the house” and have been setting up the rules while playing multiple games for decades, but it is usually a founders first game. Bacon and egg breakfast: where the founders are the fully committed pigs providing the bacon, but the investors are chickens providing the eggs. 10 years of life is one hock. If a founder wins a game and want to play again, then a founder often starts their own casino by doing seed rounds. Sometimes a successful founder can afford to start a new business without using VC investment (self-invests).

VC capital can be a drug worth taking if you fully manage your risks. Just beware that the industry rule-of-thumb is that 90% of the time a founder has an expected payout of approximately $0.

The YCombinator casino is a bit of an exception because they better understand how much a founder is worth so they help founders play games with other casinos. But you still can’t argue that your sweat equity should be equally worth dollars invested: a software developer taking a $100k paycut for the first year of a startup should receive $100k of preferential shares - but I have never heard of that happening. Subtle game play.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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post #56
post #36

Bit of a nail in the coffin for me as of late. * No async drivers. * Total freezeup bug that only appears when MariaDB is under high load, since mid-2021 (10.6), not yet addressed. * Postgres 15 outperforming MariaDB in both my own SELECT and INSERT benchmarks. Up to double performance for INSERT. * Less and less compatibility with MySQL. Vitess dropping MariaDB. * Postgres has a lighter setup, super fast compile in…

Postgres was the first relational database I came into contact with, Interbase the second and Oracle the third. Lately I've been writing a REST back end on top of MariaDB at work, and I swear it's going to drive me insane with its arbitrary limitations. At least SQLite offers something in return that Postgres can't do.

If you think that's bad, you weren't around for the MYiASM (I think it was.. days).

Yeah, for years, MySQL shipped with a default storage format that didn't enforce constraints.

Re: Mariadb.com is dead, long live MariaDB.org

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only article referencing those claims that I could find when Googling just now was this very article. Beyond that, there is a Glassdoor page with negative reviews that suggest the same. I'm thinking those accusations are probably just slurs by someone with a grudge. I'm running into all kinds of paywalls with Glassdoor and I don't want to register, but google searches make it look like pretty much every company…

> I'm running into all kinds of paywalls with Glassdoor and I don't want to register, but google searches make it look like pretty much every company under the sun has a Glassdoor review complaining of racism, sexism, etc. For instance this one claims that Apple is homophobic, racist, sexist, and "very Trumpian": The larger the company, the larger that departments will evolve their internal culture... and if team lea…

From your bio:

> You call it "alt-left", I proudly call it "Antifa"

You’re hardly representing an unbiased viewpoint, and this isn’t a problem Apple has.

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