Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a much higher lower limit than I expected
The study is biased
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Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality
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Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality
#62My rule of thumb is: if you have a bunch of conflicting studies on the risks of a certain activity like this, the risk is probably pretty low if it exists at all. If it was a large risk it would be easy to see, and in the case of moderate alcohol drinking it isn’t.
On the other hand, all cause mortality might not be the only end point we care about here. If I live just as long, but my health is poorer during the last decade, that’s a loss also. I don’t know how you would quantify that.
Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality
#63The headline here reads oddly. The conclusion from this paper is: "Low-volume alcohol drinking was not associated with protection against death from all causes."
Paraphrasing the findings paints a slightly different picture: "Drinking 25g (45g for males) of ethanol daily did not increase risk of mortality." Basically, having 2/4 drinks per day isn't going to kill you. Drinking more than that definitely increases your risk of premature death, though. Also, this is a meta-study that reiterates the findings of previous meta-studies on the topic.
Another problem is how different people define "Moderate". I'm pretty sure the CDC would classify 2-4 drinks per day as a very heavy drinker.
Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality
#64An author of this paper was directly paid by an alcohol distributor outside of this study. From the Conflict of Interest Disclosures: Dr Stockwell reported receiving personal fees from Ontario Public Servants Employees Union (OPSEU) for expert witness testimony and personal fees from Alko outside the submitted work. Dr Sherk reported receiving grants from Canadian Centre on Substance Use and Addiction (CCSA) during t…
OPSEU is the union for Ontario's government run liquor store, LCBO.
IMO, the LCBO does a terrible job at limiting the social and health impact of alcohol anyways and this stunt is yet another argument for disbanding it altogether.
Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality
#65An author of this paper was directly paid by an alcohol distributor outside of this study. From the Conflict of Interest Disclosures: Dr Stockwell reported receiving personal fees from Ontario Public Servants Employees Union (OPSEU) for expert witness testimony and personal fees from Alko outside the submitted work. Dr Sherk reported receiving grants from Canadian Centre on Substance Use and Addiction (CCSA) during t…
Amazing, thanks for sharing the information. I don’t see how anyone can take this study seriously then.
Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality
#66While they found low alcohol consumption did not reduce all-cause mortality relative to abstention, other studies have shown a shift with reduced cardiovascular mortality balanced out by increased cancer mortality. For me the primary reason to stop drinking was preservation of brain cells. Recent studies have shown a simple dose response relationship between neuronal death and alcohol consumption, with no minimum thr…
>They don’t grow back.
>Since quitting in 2021, I have become noticeably sharper
Those are conflicting statements literally next to another.
Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I might be mixing up my jargon here, but I was under the impression that "no safe amount" and similar phrases refer to a standard of categorization that is scientifically meaningful but usually offers little practical guidance relative to common lifestyle patterns (e.g. by this standard there's also no safe amount of wood dust to inhale and no safe amount of cured meat to eat). My understanding is that the risks of a…
Given that yeast leavened bread is around 1.5% alcohol and food can naturally ferment in your gut, it’s nearly certain that there is in fact some safe amount of regular alcohol intake that’s well within the bounds of homeostasis and thus as safe as anything can be. But that’s not how people drink is it? People use alcohol to intentionally disrupt homeostasis. It’s certainly plausible that there is no safe regularly t…
All alcohol has carcinogenic properties. That's just a simple fact. Cancer is bad. Anything that increases our chances of cancer is bad. And considering alcohol has no beneficial qualities when consumed, it's technically all downside.
So while bread may have some alcoholic content, it has other beneficial properties. As does the sun, even though it is a huge carcinogen.
However, I do like to remind people, that while nearly everyone with lung cancer is a smoker, most smokers do not get lung cancer.
So, do what you will with your own body, but know the risks and don't try and downplay disappointing information because you don't like it.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's like two billion muslims and most don't drink at all.
Then why do they have a word for "beer"? That statement is far from the mark. Nobody in the US drinks under 21 as well.
You can't be serious lol. We have a word for moon doesn't mean I eat the rocks. Islam is practiced in dozens of countries speaking hundreds of languages.
Anyway I'm not asserting that no muslim has ever had alcohol or that there's no disagreement within islam about its use. But the idea that the majority of muslims are routinely violating one of the main proscriptions of their religion is an astounding claim you must be ready to back up right?
Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality
#69Ethanol has been part of human culture for...ever...so would it hard for us so greatly if we did a massive study like: "Province Alphaville" in the High French Speaking part of Canada, has a vote and decides to go "alcohol free" for the next 30 years. Province consents to cross-sectionally divide itself for controls into sub-cohorts, where: Cohort A - has legal access to psychedelics, B - to marijuana, C - to somethi…
There's like two billion muslims and most don't drink at all.
That's a good point. And am I wrong that hashish / marijuana is widely consumed in at least some parts of the Muslim world? (if anyone knows which parts specifically, please share!) :) x ;p x;p
Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality
#70While they found low alcohol consumption did not reduce all-cause mortality relative to abstention, other studies have shown a shift with reduced cardiovascular mortality balanced out by increased cancer mortality. For me the primary reason to stop drinking was preservation of brain cells. Recent studies have shown a simple dose response relationship between neuronal death and alcohol consumption, with no minimum thr…
Hasn't it been proven recently that they do in fact grow back? Although a quick google seems to have a conflicting info.. so /shrug