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Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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Unless you prove it, a substance is not toxic. So the bias is always on the side of "it's not bad" until we prove it actually is.

So what I do to start with is as long as it doesnt smell safe (you gota judgement call on this), then it isnt. Our body is crafted to defend itself it's as simple as that.

Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

d) Schrödinger's malt: the effect of low volume alcohol on all-cause mortality rates cannot be predicted and must be observed upon the death of the subject

e) it doesn't matter in the post-information age, what matters is how it's spun

You mean shaken.

Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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post #42

Everyone on this topic seems to have their own studies to back polar opposite conclusions. Canada is going the opposite direction[0], taking the position that "no amount of alcohol is safe to consume". [0] https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/what-you-should-know-about-can...

One thing that gets neglected as well is that normalizing low level drinking encourages high level drinking, and that high level drinking not only has a negative impact on the individual but on society at large. It’s much easier for people who are susceptible to overindulge when going out drinking is considered to be the default social activity, and when events are expected to have alcohol. One of the reasons why the…

I don't consider switching from cigarettes to vapes the disappearance of smoking. I think it has just changed our perception of it to one that people are accepting of.

Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

#55

So which one is it then? a) low volume alcohol consumption does not INCREASE all-cause mortality rate b) low volume alcohol consumption does not DECREASE all-cause mortality rate c) both A & B

c) both A&B. The headline said B but the details also said A.

Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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Everyone on this topic seems to have their own studies to back polar opposite conclusions. Canada is going the opposite direction[0], taking the position that "no amount of alcohol is safe to consume". [0] https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/what-you-should-know-about-can...

FWIW this policy change has been widely criticized by Canadians for being based on a flawed analysis

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/harry-rakowski-how-much-alc...

Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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Ethanol has been part of human culture for...ever...so would it hard for us so greatly if we did a massive study like: "Province Alphaville" in the High French Speaking part of Canada, has a vote and decides to go "alcohol free" for the next 30 years. Province consents to cross-sectionally divide itself for controls into sub-cohorts, where: Cohort A - has legal access to psychedelics, B - to marijuana, C - to somethi…

There's like two billion muslims and most don't drink at all.

Then why do they have a word for "beer"?

That statement is far from the mark.

Nobody in the US drinks under 21 as well.

Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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post #7

> There was a significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among female drinkers who drank 25 or more grams [of ethanol] per day and among male drinkers who drank 45 or more grams per day. 25 g is about 32 mL; 45 g => 57 mL. At 80 proof (40% ABV), that's 80 mL (2.7 US fl oz) or 143 mL (4.8 US fl oz) of liquor. A shot glass is ~1.5 US fl oz. (Or 640-1140mL => 22-39 fl oz of 5% beer, for women and men respective…

This is a much higher lower limit than I expected

The study is biased

Re: Low and moderate alcohol consumption not associated with increased mortality

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post #46
post #7

> There was a significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among female drinkers who drank 25 or more grams [of ethanol] per day and among male drinkers who drank 45 or more grams per day. 25 g is about 32 mL; 45 g => 57 mL. At 80 proof (40% ABV), that's 80 mL (2.7 US fl oz) or 143 mL (4.8 US fl oz) of liquor. A shot glass is ~1.5 US fl oz. (Or 640-1140mL => 22-39 fl oz of 5% beer, for women and men respective…

14-21 units of alcohol a week really sounds like that would increase mortality. I'm surprised they didn't find that mortality increases remarkably before then.

Yes, it is a surprisingly high amount. ~14-21 units/week puts you in (at least) the top 20% of Americans for alcohol consumption.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/25/think... ( https://archive.is/fa25J )

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