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China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by Herval_freire »

weq wrote: post #366
Herval_freire wrote: post #360

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>There are deposits of these rare earth minerals elsewhere. There are always more deposits, it’s just that they’re untapped until we deplete our cheaper sources. If China withholds its minerals, we will use more expensive sources, but we will still get the minerals. Same thing if you with-hold semiconductors. Somebody for sure is willing to sell general purpose chips to China second hand at a more expensive price. >I…

> Somebody for sure is willing to sell general purpose chips to China second hand at a more expensive price. The US is stopping people from selling high tech chips to China. Have you not heard of this policy? I tenat to agree that Xi Jing Ping is distracted with retaining power like all the other democractic polticians are. Instead of left vs rights, its ultra left-ist faction against faction, corruption and profitee…

Hence the term 2nd hand. China won't be able to get chips directly. They have to go through secondary sources.

Similar to how the US illegally obtained titanium from Russia for development of the sr71.

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Post by borissk »

Herval_freire wrote: post #465
borissk wrote: post #442

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Obviously you haven't lived in a dictatorship. Spend a few years in Russia or China or Turkey or Iran and then come back with your hypothesis about the raw truth.

I lived in both the US as a citizen and china as well.

Some people are naturally born slaves and do prefer living in a society where their lives are completely controlled by a strong arm dictator...

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Post by senttoschool »

kalleboo wrote: post #365
teh_klev wrote: post #349

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> outsourcing a very large fraction of all manufacturing for half the world to a single non-democratic country doesn't serve our interests in the long run You do realise that a sizeable chunk of the world's oil and gas are sourced from "non-democratic" countries in the Middle East, yet somehow we leave them alone to openly torture, abuse and murder their citizens? And on top of that they're left alone to operate a ca…

Yeah we should quit doing that too, I don't think anyone but the political elite are in favor of being dependent on middle eastern countries

Will you complain when inflation is 500% by quitting Middle East oil and China's manufacturing?

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Post by dragonelite »

vkou wrote: post #418
HeavenFox wrote: post #406

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To be fair, the theory that economic development leads to political liberalization isn't entirely fiction. Taiwan and South Korea both used to be de facto dictatorships.

Meanwhile, Russia's vastly more economically developed[1] than it was in the 90s, yet it went fully down the authoritarian slide over the past three decades. Also, it may be worth dropping by much of the Middle East to get another reality check on this question. The only thing economic development seems to consistently result in is a higher demand for imports. [1] Well, the nice parts of it are much wealthier than th…

Authoritarian slide is when those global south nations don't elect our puppets....

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Post by adastra22 »

midoridensha wrote: post #417
adastra22 wrote: post #398

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It's self-projection, really.

Maybe they're still stuck in 1930s mentality. Back then, Hitler really did want to invade Russia (and did), along with Poland and a bunch of other countries. However, the world has moved on in the last 80 years. Germany is part of NATO now, Poland and Germany are friends (and France, Netherlands, etc.), and no one is worried about invasion from Germany any more. Somehow, the people of Russia never got past the mindse…

Maybe. Or maybe they’re assuming everyone else is itching to invade and subjugate Russia, because Russia would and continues to do so to all their neighbors at the slightest opportunity. They can’t conceive that the rest of the world really has moved beyond such idiotic imperialist behavior.

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Post by concordDance »

senttoschool wrote: post #469
SkyMarshal wrote: post #460

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> The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. This comment gets thrown around a lot but oversimplifies things. First, in the 90s, 2000s, and some of the 2010s ‘the US’ was China’s biggest cheerleader, investor, and supporter. Most US elites knew China would eventually become a bigger economy due to their 4x larger population, and were ok wit…

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> The first instinct for the Chinese is to negotiate

The difference in behaviour seems more like an "is all you have is a hammer" thing. The fact that China can't decide to randomly bomb Nigeria is a big factor in it not randomly bombing Nigeria and the fact that France could easily bomb Lybia is a big factor in it actually bombing Lybia.

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Post by jacquesm »

vasco wrote: post #446
zpeti wrote: post #432

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> The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control And? Do you want Xi Xinping in charge of global culture, security, finance? How is that working out for your average Chinese these days (and I’m not talking about the previous freeer era). You want social credit scores? One man basically in charge of the global military? You paint a picture of Ame…

> You paint a picture of America as an evil empire, but what do the alternatives look like? The nice alternatives don't have big enough militaries to be considered seriously, one could point at some European nations for a more measured approach, but it's hard to do it seriously when we only exist because the US saved us and continues to do so, as Europe pretty much has no military power if push comes to shove.

No military power is short selling Europe, just not as much as it probably should have, and that's because we figured war is no longer a viable option. Unfortunately recent events have shown this to be a fallacy.

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Post by concordDance »

herbst wrote: post #448
zpeti wrote: post #432

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> The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control And? Do you want Xi Xinping in charge of global culture, security, finance? How is that working out for your average Chinese these days (and I’m not talking about the previous freeer era). You want social credit scores? One man basically in charge of the global military? You paint a picture of Ame…

Do we want America as a world leader? Enforcing their dated moral views on us trough controlling money flow and social media? We do have accept violence but no nudity in our media when our society is the exact opposite? Yes that's whatabouttism but the world actually does suffer from the current state as well

Not even "dated", nudity being OK goes back quite a way.

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Post by data-abuse »

beebmam wrote: post #455
snehk wrote: post #401

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The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

The US is a state entity where its representatives are elected, and those representatives make the policy decisions on what nations get financial support for their militaries. To claim that these representatives don't make their decisions based on morality, or any other value that individuals have, is strictly false. One might argue that only individuals who have opinions in line with national interests are electable…

Different leaders have different policies thus the US is a true democracy and is moral? Just because the Overton Window[1] is large in the US doesn't mean that political dissenting opinions are not suppressed.

Consider the Twitterfiles, the government is actively censoring speech critical of the FBI and politicians. Think of the Hunter Biden laptop story, do you think that if that speech was not censored that different policies would be supported by the masses and that they would elect different representatives?

People need to know information to make good decisions. If they don't know the information, obviously, they won't consider that in the decision making process

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

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Post by concordDance »

senttoschool wrote: post #404
snehk wrote: post #401

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The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

I've been trying to preach this on HN for months. The American propaganda is blindingly strong. The US will work with one-party countries as long as they're not a threat economically. How else do you think that Americans cheer when factories get moved to Vietnam, which is significantly worse in human rights? Both of these things can't be true at the same time: 1. The US is concerned for Chinese citizens economically…

> I've been trying to preach this on HN for months

Please don't preach on hackernews. Instead try and communicate what you know and how you know it.

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