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Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Sure. The west forced Putin to invade a neighboring country.

Maybe not forced, but the west gave him a good reason to. The Mexico analogy is a good one, and the US has invaded other countries for less, so I'm not sure why that's such a controversial take.

It’s bad when the US does it, too.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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post #160

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It's fluid. In the way late period fascist Italy could be called puppet state of Nazi Germany perhaps. But Belarusian dictator has his own distinct agenda and pursues it despite very limited choices which "puppet state" kinda glosses over.

Somewhere I could read more about Lukashenko's agenda?

Kamil Galeev had quite an interesting take on it all. Eg. "after being elected he usurped power and built a dictatorship, aiming to create something like a hereditary quasi monarchy."

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1518240030967406593.html

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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It is right here: https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/press/O-MastersJaime2022... and when CPS is told about potential abuse they can take your kids away , and this is not theoretical, it has happened.

In addition to what JumpCrisscross explained to you, that document does not support your original claim that someone telling CPS your kid is trans leads to CPS taking your kid away. It says that it's illegal for you to facilitate or subject your kid to permanent, irreversible surgery on their genitalia.

I suspect if you let your 14 year old kid get a tattoo, CPS would have questions. It seems reasonable they should also have questions if you're encouraging them to get irreversible genital surgery.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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They've already yoinked hundreds of Ukraine children from families, so why not? Embrace the fuckery and continue the war crimes on your own citizens.

We should all keep in mind the old saying, "The first casualty of war is the truth." I am not saying that you are incorrect but that we should digest some stories with a bit of skepticism. Here is a counter report on that claim to consider. https://thegrayzone.com/2023/03/31/iccs-putin-arrest-state-d...

I read that article with an open mind, but ultimately do not trust it. Among other tells, the term "break-away republic" betrays his sympathies. I might summarize it as "Pro-Russian journalist visits Ukrainian children's camps and sees nothing wrong."

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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All irrelevant for the end-result: hundreds of thousands people dead, cities destroyed, warcrimes committed. 3 million "siloviki" in a country of 140 million - with these proportions, it's the 137 mil who are guilty.

Honestly, what I hear is moving the goalposts until "it's irrelevant whether you did anything, if you lost it's your damn fault lmao". Same with Belarus 2020. Well, if I'm hearing it right, then good luck with that brush. It might be understandable, but that doesn't make it excusable.

Honestly, this playing the victim is at best getting tiring. You've ignored my comment to hear it as moving the goal posts.

Again: only ca. 2% of the population are siloviki, who rely on the rest for support, for food, for logistics, for communication, IT support, etc., etc. If the protests fail, is because most of the 98% don't care, or snitch, or actively oppose the protest. That makes them culpable. A few complaining doesn't absolve the society.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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It only depends on political will. Airtight isolation will be enough to solve Russia, let's say. On the level that "whoever has any diplomatic or trade relationship with Russia or does not accept the same policy, can't trade with anyone in the West", this policy will take days to "infect" entire world. Not being able to trade they will quickly descend to starvation, rampant disease and death. Then we can take refugee…

That's the new North Korea scenario.

Well, not really. China continues to trade with North Korea prolonging it existence. If no one traded with Russia, things will be very different there.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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>The best you can point to is genocides and atrocities we committed 170 years ago, whereas Russia is attempting to commit similar genocides as we speak russia's war in ukraine: 25,000+ civilians killed number of civilian victims in Vietnam killed by US armed forces: 100,000+ number of civilian victims killed due to US dropping two atomic bombs on Japan: 200,000+ number of civilian deaths due to war in iraq: 200,000+…

> russia's war in ukraine: 25,000+ civilians killed > number of civilian victims in Vietnam killed by US armed forces: 100,000+ You do know the US involvement in Vietnam lasted 20 years, and Russia is barely past the 1 year mark in Ukraine, right?

those are statistics for 12 years of civilian deaths by the us military directly. they are not all the civilian deaths that occured during the vietnam war

during the same period, for a time span of 3 years, the us bombed cambodia and killed over 200,000 civilians as a result

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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i just love reminding americans that the high pedistal they immagine they sit on when they lecture everyone is actually just a kitsch pigsty

So long as you acknowledge that our current pigsty is much cleaner than Russia's. The best you can point to is genocides and atrocities we committed 170 years ago, whereas Russia is attempting to commit similar genocides as we speak. And it's not the first time the Russians have committed genocide against Ukrainians. I guess when your nation doesn't change that much in 100 years it's hard to understand that other nat…

> And it's not the first time the Russians have committed genocide against Ukrainians

im curious, when do you think was the first one? i mean there was the period of famine while ukraine was part of the ussr, but if thats what you mean lets get few simple facts straight

1) ukraine was an equal republic of the ussr

2) russia was a seperate republic of the ussr. russia had no authority about what goes on in ukraine

3) ussr at that time had a supreme ruler who was of georgian ethnicity

so even if we agree that systematic genocide did happen, it is very hard to argue that russia had anything to do with it

curiously, every time a russian ruled ussr, ukraine was rather well off. for example, under lenin ussr promoted ukranianization [1], under khrushchev ukraine got gifted crimea, while the ussr got a ukranian as its supreme leader [2]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korenizatsiia

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Brezhnev

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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The Ukrainians sure as hell won their Euromaidan.

and lost a chunk of east ukraine

So you propose it's better to submit than fight for your freedom? That's your choice.

Let's see where Ukraine is in 5 years and where Russia will be.

Your mentality fits nicely in russian society.

And in case you didn't notice, eastern Ukraine and Crimea is still Ukraine. Soon free from russian invaders.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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post #119

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Belarus is a Russian puppet-state under Lukashenko.

The authoritarianism in Belarus is entirely domestic in origin and predates the modern Russian one.

Belarus and Russia entering into the Unity State sounds like a transfer of much of Belarus' decision making to Moscow.
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